Wednesday, March 25, 2009

Wolf Block is dead!!!

Well, one major Philadelphia legal institution for the past 106 years passed away. Wolf block voted to disband the other day. The reasons that have been put forward are: mergers and acquisitions, structured finance or real estate focused practice; the economic recession; the current credit crunch; and oh, the fact that the partners did not want to stand behind their own firm. One report I read indicated that a large part of this was that not very many of the partners wanted to personally ensure the line of credit that they needed to take out for operating expenses, and that they were upset that profits were down so the partners only made $321,000 on average in 2008 (Down from $400,000 in 2007).

Some Links:
Philly Inquirer--Wolf Block Lawyers Face Difficult Job-hunting Climate

Philly Daily News--Wolf Block Lawyers Left Only With Fond Memories


Legal Intelligencer--No Easy Answers in Wolf Block's Demise

Legal Intelligencer--Credit Woes, Failed Merger Bids Take Toll on Wolf Block

Wall Street Journal--Wolf Block to Dissolve Philadelphia Law Firm

Business Journal--Wolf Block law firm to dissolve

The thing is that I believe that many firms large and small do not get the concept that there needs to be at least a vague semblance of a pyramidal structure of leadership. The fact is that most firms, even those mega firms like Dechert are too top heavy. There are too many partners and equity partners and not enough accountability. When you have too many partners, you can not get them to all agree on anything, and in fact you are likely to have many of them making more conservative moves without their names on the door or their own personal money invested. The partners will rarely put themselves out of work, and you can be sure that all of the partners from this dissolution will end up somewhere else. The young attorneys will be scrambling, and I wouldn't be surprised to see some of them on contract jobs in the future.

As far as why you should be concerned. While I have not heard of Wolf Block hiring any contractors in the last five years (so we are not really losing a contract employer), as I just mentioned, there are that many other lawyers out there looking for work. Will they deign to do contract work? In this economy, probably. Will they be able to find associate or partner positions? It sounds like many are already lining up these positions, but of course that means any contractor looking for an associate position is going to find it that much harder to find one. And with some firms already delaying first year start dates, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that offers are rescinded putting more recent grads in the desperate position of needing to work anywhere. Also, don't forget that many firms suffer from a top heavy management structure, and layoffs at major firms have been touching all levels. A dissolution could happen to any firm in the near future, even Pepper Hamilton, Morgan Lewis, or Dechert. So even those of you who have been contracting at those places for years, are not necessarily safe (and certainly less safe than the associates or partners).

For those of you who would use this to point out that contracting is just as secure as any other job out there, think again. If you are an associate somewhere, even if all you have ever done is Document Review work, you are perceived to have a skill set, as a contractor you are not. As an associate, even in situations like this you are entitled to certain benefits, or portions thereof, as a contractor you are entitled to nothing. As a contractor, you will likely be the first one out on the street, and the last one to be hired by a new firm. There is more job security as a full-time employee, and a recognized skill set that comes along with the position which makes you more mobile when it comes to looking for new employment.

Contract attorneys actually do have a skill set, but you wouldn't know it from the way firms treat applicants for full-time positions that have primarily contract experience, nor from the way that they treat contractors on document reviews for the firms (firms tend to treat contractors as idiots who barely graduated high school, and believe that anyone can do the work, though the last associate that I saw code a document screwed it up and crashed the system). The real question is how to make that skill set known and transferable.

I digress though, what are your thoughts.

As far as those of you asking about additional work, I have no updates other than to say it sounds like several contract firms are trolling for resumes. And I am sure for positions to post people in, but many of them do not have positions ready immediately.

Feel free to comment.

Black Sheep

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Pat Mihoffen said...

Hey, does anyone know who I need to contact to get on the viox document review at Deckert or the seroquill review at McCater and England? A friend of mine told me that they are hiring but I cannot find any information about them anywhere. Are these the projects that are in the basement that everyone keeps talking about?

Anonymous said...

Yes, Pat, Deckert is hiring. Please call the main office and ask to speak with one of the partners. I'm sure they'll be glad to assist.

I'm sorry, but I just don't have any information on McCater and England. Perhaps someone else might be able to help you on that one.

Best of luck!! Go get 'em!

Anonymous said...

Can anybody comment on working at Barroway Topaz?

Anonymous said...

Happy New Year!!

Anonymous said...

Jews don't do doc review.

Anonymous said...

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if I can change, and you can change, everybody can change. Everybody can change!

Adrienne!!

XO,
Italian Stallion

Anonymous said...

Record Year for the State Fair.

HUTCHINSON, Kansas (KSN) -- More people than ever before may have hit the midway at the Kansas State Fair to ride the rides and take their chance at the games according to fair officials.

Fair Manager Denny Steckline says attendance is also up over last year's totals but they won't know for sure until an audit is completed. Final totals are expected in two to three weeks.
"I think people were looking for something family friendly and affordable," said Steckline. "And that's what we’ve got. We saw a lot of people out there searching for value and taking advantage of our discounts and I think it paid off for us."

Vendors are also reporting brisk business this year. Cathy Jones was one of the volunteers working Our Lady of Guadalupe Church's taco stand inside the food court. The annual fundraiser helps pay the bills at their South Hutchinson Parrish. She says numbers are up more than 25% over last year without including totals from the final weekend.

"We are very happy," said Jones. "It takes 30 volunteers a day. When they get to see we're doing something great for our parish it makes everybody happy."

The Kansas State Fair wrapped up its 9 day run on Sunday.

Anonymous said...

Today's top players are little known but Garry Kasparov and Anatoly Karpov still evoke magic

Sep 22, 2009 04:30 AM
Leslie Scrivener
Feature Writer

"It's a physically brutal game," says David Shenk, not speaking of football or hockey or rugby.

"It comes down to how badly you want to win, how incredibly aggressive you are, how much you want to crush your opponent."

The New York writer is speaking of chess, a game we may associate with monstrous IQs and a tape-on-the-glasses failure of athleticism. (Though not an Olympic sport, it is recognized as a sport by the International Olympic Committee.)

One of the most fabled matches in modern times, between former world chess champions Garry Kasparov and Anatoly Karpov, was an endurance test that spanned five months from 1984 to 1985. The game was called a draw because officials thought the players' health was affected, though both wanted to carry on.

The old adversaries are facing one another today, in Valencia, Spain, to start a 12-game exhibition series marking the 25th anniversary of that marathon. They are greying and without the sheen of youth: Kasparov is 46 and Karpov is 58. Still, in the popular imagination, they are the names of chess, along with the brilliant American Bobby Fischer, who died last year.

You may need to be reminded of today's top players: Viswanathan Anand, Veselin Topalov, the teenage prodigy Magnus Carlsen and the top woman player Judit Polgar. For non-chess-players, they are as anonymous as a TTC ticket-taker.

The earlier generation of players hurled themselves into our consciousness, sometimes unpleasantly. "Kasparov was a publicity machine, an incredibly charismatic figure," says Shenk, author of the 2006 book, The Immortal Game. "He did things to keep himself in the public eye."

Things like play the IBM computer, Deep Blue. A poor sport when he lost, he accused the organizers – "honourable, geek-like people" says Shenk – of cheating.

Then there is the charismatic Fischer, whose 1972 matchup with Boris Spassky became a metaphor for the Cold War. What was first viewed as brilliant eccentricity turned out to be mental illness. Fischer said of his opponents, "I like the moment when I break a man's ego," Shenk recalled. "His blood lust, enjoying people being crushed – it was a rare and odious quality."

But chess world is still searching for the next Fischer – in terms of his charisma, not his demons.

Shenk says today's top players are interesting personalities, but, he adds, more balanced and emotionally well rounded than Fischer.

"That's what we want, to have a love life, to have friends and probably to grow up to do something else professionally."

Chess started losing widespread public interest after 1993, when top players (including Kasparov) decided to withdraw from the World Chess Federation. Under a new system, which was time controlled, the game became condensed and fast, says Lawrence Day, a former Canadian chess champion who writes a syndicated column in the Saturday Star. It seemed like a new person would win every year. "You'd remember the guys that won in the old system – they'd hold the world championship title for a long time." The split has since been mended.

So, when players argue about who was the greatest of all time, the names they debate are still those of players like Fischer or Kasparov, says Eric Van Dusen, president of the Chess Federation of Canada.

While Kasparov is the best player in his view, he is not excited by today's rematch. "Both players have passed their peak and more or less retired from the chess world."

Canada's current champion, Jean Hébert, agrees. The Kasparov-Karpov rematch, he said, is "meant mostly for the non-chess public."

Anonymous said...

unemployment compensation to 100!!

(weeks)

http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/22/news/economy/extending_unemployment_benefits/index.htm?postversion=2009092207

Coder Emeritus said...

So, this is a story, all 'bout how
My life got flipped, turned upside down,
I'd like to tell you the story
Just sit right there
And I'll tell you how I became the rides manager of the Pennsylvania State Fair.

I went to law school, cuz I was told it pays,
But as a coder was how I spent most of my days.
Tagging things "priveleged" and "hot" and such.
And ordering Biggies from Potbelly's for lunch.
When an announcement came, the news wasn't good.
The case might settle, in fact, it probably would.
I got in one little layoff and my mom got scared.
She said "you'll help your auntie and uncle manage the Pennsylvania state fair."

I drove for hours in my Lexus, and when the fair came near,
I could no longer see the Philly skyline in my mirror,
I saw other Lexii in the lot, but thought it was rare,
After all, these were workers at the Pennsylvania state fair.

I had dinner with my auntie about 7 or 8,
then I said to her "Thanks. Good night, see ya later."
Looked at my kingdom, I might be happy there,
Managing the kiddie rides at the Pennsylvania state fair.

Anonymous said...

Nice Coder E!

Tyrone Shoelaces said...

First Wolf Block dies, the temp work dies, and now this blog is dead too. I guess it will never be like it was. I wonder what those poor schmucks graduating from Drexell are gonna do next year.

Anonymous said...

Drexel has all but admitted defeat:

"There's a bit of malaise settling in among the student body."

http://www.kyw1060.com/pages/5091674.php?

"Amy Montemarano, the assistant dean of career and professional development at Drexel's Earle Mack School of Law, says there's a deafening silence from a third of the firms that used to recruit.

So, she says, her students are buckling down -- taking opportunities in government, with judges, and internships. They don't pay as well (or at all)"

With hoards of unemployed Villanova, Temple, and Rutgers graduates scratching for anything they can get in the Philadelphia region, its going to be a grim year for most of Drexel's graduates.

Anonymous said...

I am so screwed!! I haven't workedin months. My unemployment is about to run out. There is just nothing out there. What the hell am I supposed to do?

It's only noon, but I need a drink.

Anonymous said...

to the person above: didn't they just extend UC for another 13 weeks?

Fired From Everywhere said...

I blame Obama for my predicament.

Anonymous said...

64 Percent Of U.S. Population Now Working For Manpower


WASHINGTON, DC — According to a report released Monday by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, 64 percent of the nation's work force is currently employed in a "temp" capacity by Manpower employment agency.

"With more than 150 million Americans working for Manpower, we truly are a nation of temps," said former Labor Secretary Alexis Herman, who in 1996 was placed by Manpower in the top Labor Department spot after Robert Reich vacated the post to accept a three-week data/word-processing assignment in a Hartford, CT, actuarial firm.

Experts attribute Manpower's success to its ability to supply U.S. companies with competent full-time workers who do not have to be given the same social and financial considerations as actual employees.

"Regular, full-time workers can be extremely expensive. You've got to give them health insurance, retirement benefits, sick pay, vacation pay—it's all a tremendous financial drain on a company," said Russell Eglington of Cornell University's Institute of Labor Relations. "That's why so many corporations are turning to Manpower. They've got people who can perform like actual employees but don't have to be well-treated like actual employees."

Sheila Wunsch, human-resources director for Systech Consolidated, a Dallas-based computer-consulting firm, said her company uses Manpower for all its staffing needs, from janitors to secretaries to departmental vice-presidents.

"One great advantage of using Manpower," Wunsch said, "is that you don't have to build relationships with the workers they supply, because, even if they're there for months or years, they're not technically company employees. I can't begin to tell you how refreshing it is to work with people you can ignore, people you don't have to smile at when you see them around the office."

Among the types of jobs Manpower fills: data entry, bookkeeping, clerical, telemarketing, freight-handling, maintenance, landscaping, engineering, teaching, rape-crisis counseling, commercial-jet-piloting, and open-heart surgery.

"I've been temping at Mt. Sinai Hospital for two years now, 60 hours a week," said Emily Schreiber, 23, of White Plains, NY. "Mostly, they've got me doing appendectomies, but I also do bypasses every now and then. It's a pretty good job, as temping goes: I make $9.75 per hour and get a full hour for lunch. Before this, I was doing typing and filing in a law office. Now that was boring."

According to the Labor Department report, by 2015, 99.97 percent of the U.S. workforce will be temping for Manpower. The other .03 percent, the report said, will consist of the owners of corporations using Manpower for their staffing needs, as well as Harlan Bruckner, owner and CEO of Manpower. By 2015, Manpower's own staff is expected to grow to 17.5 million employees, all of whom will be temp workers assigned by Manpower to work for the company itself

Anonymous said...

Temp Replaced With Cheaper Temp

SAN BERNARDINO, CA—In a personnel move expected to save the company $17 a day, Cyntrel Fiberoptics replaced longtime Manpower temp worker Paulette Riordan with lower-paid MetroTemp employee Don Sendelbach. "Paulette was a familiar face in this office who we all very much liked," departmental supervisor William Youmans said. "But with the economy the way it is, tough decisions sometimes have to be made. Don's really learning the ropes well." Riordan's plans for the future include calling Manpower to inquire about openings in other offices.

Coder Emeritus said...

Good luck to everyone who got called up by Accelerate (sic?).

Philly coding to $33/hr!

Dick Weed said...

I am better than you.

Ghost Rider said...

Below me!

Whipped Felch Milkshake said...

Who's hiring?

Anonymous said...

ok, anyone been called for any jobs recently?

Code Monkey said...

I got called about the Excelerate paper project. The firm was going to review resumes Tuesday.

I'm guessing I'm not going to be working next week since I haven't heard.

Anonymous said...

what is teh excelerate project? which firm?

Fired From Everywhere said...

I was not called for the Excelerate project. Any news on Providus hiring people back?

Anonymous said...

what is excelerate anyway? how long is it expected to last and how many are they looking at hiring? (in other words, does this look like the next vioxx type of 3year deal, or is it a 2 weeker?)

Anonymous said...

Excelerate actually has multiple projects (or at least multiple "planned" projects). They have the paper project which for whatever reason seems to have derailed. it was supposed to start today but surprise surprise!

They also allegedly have a project with McCarter in which former McCarter temps might be given a slight preference. In addition, there are rumors of some random excelerate in Wilmington, which is a tad far for many people.

But whatever your situation, good luck!!

Philly coders to $35/hr!!!

Anonymous said...

are these long term projects or just month-long type ones?

Anonymous said...

Rumor central:

- McCarter roughly 3 months
- paper review, if it ever gets off the ground, expected to be roughly 6 months.

Anonymous said...

Considering Pepper's layoffs this week were half pepper hires and half agency, I would LOVE to know the opinion of the person above who last time claimed it was an anti-agency move? Hello. No, it was a grading move. Sorry the recent layoffs probably show you that.

A few more jobs gone from the doc review market. Guess Pepper is winding down, too, or at least, on the way.

Anonymous said...

I heard Pepper's case was about to fold b/c of a recent burst of settlements- do you think it was-- I can’t believe I am saying this in relation to doc review-- "performance based?"

how many were actually laid off last week?

C. Montgomery Burns said...

Some people hunt for sport
Others hunt for food
The only thing that I hunt fooor
Is an outfit that looks gooooood

See my vest
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Made from real gorilla chest

See this sweater?
There's no better
Than authentic Irish Setter

See this hat?
Twas my cat
Evening wear, vampire bat

These white slippers, they're albino
African endangered rhino

Grizzly bear
underwear
Turtle's necks, I've got my share

Beret of poodle,
on my noodle
it shall rest

Try my red robin suit
It comes one breast or two
See my vest
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Bum bum buh dum bum bum

See my loafers?
Former gophers
It was that, or steal my chauffeurs
But a greyhound tuxedo would be best

So let's prepare these dogs
(they're two for matching clogs)

See my vest
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Oh please, won't you see my vest...

Burns for Mayor!!

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Anonymous said...

Pepper's cuts were completely performance based. They just took the next lowest people (on the grading system) and cut them.

11 were cut, total.

At least it's a system. The more you produce and the more accurate, the lower your chances.

This is the second round of cuts in what, a month?

The settlements have nothing to do with it. It's just the work drying up. Fewer and fewer docs to review as they have been, well, reviewed!

That's the nature of doc review. Once the priv log is created and once the docs are reviewed, nothing else for the coders to do. They won't use them as associates writing briefs, etc., so....that's the nature of the job.

Out of curiosity, what are people doing while on UC with their loans? Forbearance? Is everyone worried (as am I) that we will just have MUCH bigger payments when we do go out of deferment or forbearance?

Lionel Hutz, Esq. said...

Lionel Hutz, law talking guy here.

You know, one of my favorite quotes from the Simpsons (I think Principal Skinner said this) was when Skinner asked Groundskeeper Willie to do something, but he took his time doing it. Skinner asked "Can't you do this faster?" Willie responded "Well, do you want this done fast? Or do you want this done right?" An annoyed Skinner quips "can't you do both!?!"

But the thing about life is, sometimes you can't do both. The Pepper grading system kind of raises the question: who is at the bottom of the totem pole? People who do big volumes but miss a few in accuracy? Or people who are much more accurate, but a little bit on the slow side? I realize that people who can be both fast AND good are going to rest at the top of the pile, but who is "second best"? I've always been of the philosophy that you should always sacrifice speed for accuracy. But there's probably a threshold.

Were the Pepper cut-ees a mix of slow and inaccurate? A little bit more slow? Speed okay but accuracy not? I'm a little bit curious as to how the grades were created.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone still WORK and if so, where?

Anonymous said...

Does giving handjobs for a couple of packs of crackers count as WORK?

Anonymous said...

The only people I know who are working doc review are working at Stradley.

Anonymous said...

Well, about 100 are still working at Pepper. Or make that 90 after last week's cuts.

Anyone still at Dechert?
Anyone at MLB (other than like 5 people?)

How about other mini-projects?

Anonymous said...

Nobody does doc review anymore. Is that not obvious? Even the guy who started this blog is clearly not involved in the doc review scene anymore. The party is over folks. It's time to move on to real jobs and actually do something.

Coder Emeratits said...

I like soup.

Anonymous said...

Attorney/Lawyer is ranked #18 Best Job in America!!!

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bestjobs/2009/full_list/index.html

One spot above #19 Physician/General Practice.

Hooray!! Though, I think we should all try to become professors at a ttt, since professor is #3.

Anonymous said...

Agree with above poster.

ABA, are you reading this? We need MORE law schools!!! Get on it!

Recommendations for new names include:

Above the Law School of Law
Black Sheep Philly School of Law
Coder Emeritus School of Law
Tom the Temp School of Law
etc. etc.

We need up to 10 tiers. Then we can all be law professors. But these new law schools will not have any tenured tracks. No T14 grads need apply. #15 to 50 can the deans. Tier 2s can be professors, but capped at 5 years tops. Starting salary 125k ending salary 200k. ttt grads will be associate profs, capped at 3 years. Start at 125k, end at 150k. even with a short 3 year span, they should be able to make up the money they "invested" in their education.

The 5 and 3 year caps exist so we can rotate as many grads into law prof positions as possible. We can't have some people staying on for 20 years to the disadvantage of others. Law Prof positions only for class of 2009 or earlier. Later grads, you're on your own. TTT(t) grads or beyond 4th tier can be adjuncts at the discretion of the dean.

We need to get on this. ABA, do it!@!! The Tom the Temp law school will charge the low low price of only 15k per year, and will still cover their professor salaries. As for the new grads of tiers 5 through 10, well, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Troubles for another day!

Anonymous said...

Happy Columbus Day!

Fired From Everywhere said...

What's going on with the Excelerate project? Also, is Providus hiring back anyone at 1800 JFK? I thought they might be.

Fired From Everywhere said...

Who is Mitch?

Anonymous said...

Is mitch the guy with the musical note earring?

Anonymous said...

YES!

(no longer) Clickin' away in Margaritaville said...

Excelerate's project turned out smaller than expected- 3 were hired.

I'd love it if the Providus/MLB project brought us back, but I'd probably be the last called on that one.

Anonymous said...

GRAVEL PIT MIRED IN ARGUMENTS

The public packed the Carbon County District Court room last week to hear the pros and cons about a proposed 40 acre gravel pit operation and asphalt plant being planned on the Draper Ranch, west of Red Lodge. The operation will be run by Riverside Contracting, Missoula.


Carbon County Commissioners presided over the meeting which was called after a petition, signed by 60 percent of the residents in the surrounding area, asked for interim zoning to be enforced which would prevent the operation from taking place.


Arguments went back and forth from both sides through a tense 90 minutes. Property owner Russ Squire, who’s subdivision Spires at Red Lodge will be 800 feet from the operation, maintained that property values will fall by 20-30 percent. He has already lost business he said. Opponents were also concerned about the chemicals, dust, traffic and noise arising from the plant effecting people’s health and well being.


Cale Fisher of Riverside Contracting of Missoula tried to assure those concerned, telling them that reports by the Montana Department of Environmental Quality (MDEQ) and property appraisers have come up with nothing that shows property values dropping if close to such operations.


Water was also a huge issue with residents wanting to know how this operation would effect their supplies. One resident Jack Prather, whose property abutts The Spires at Red Lodge, grew angry when Fisher could not answer him effectively on how they would protect his water table. Fisher said that hydrologists are presently engaged to find this out and send reports to MDEQ.


Ed Draper responded to many of the comments by saying that such plants provide people with the roads they travel on and as for chemicals, he contended that there was just as many emissions presently coming from the roads in the Spire subdivision as there would be from the plant.


Roberts resident Larry Luloff told the audience that this plant had been in the pipeline for 10 years and it only required some preparation by Squire to find this out before he started his subdivision.


Summing up the pros and cons, John Prinkki, commission chairman, said that any zoning must come from the property owners, not the commission. The issue may become a mute one however as gravel operations such as the one proposed are allowed in all zones except residential. It was also stated that although a petition was signed by so many residents, the petition did not conform to the law.


One on-looker from Belfry, who also doesn’t want a gravel pit moving to where they live, felt that if “this wasn’t happening in Red Lodge, we wouldn’t be here now.”


“It doesn’t matter what happens to the rest of the county,” they said.


After the meeting Squire said that “the gravel permit had not been in place for last the 10 years” as stated by Luloff. He also said that Riverside Sand and Gravel helped pave the roads in his subdivision and then turned right round to file a a gravel pit application across the street. A case he said of the right hand not knowing what the left hand was doing.

Real Dung said...

Keep on clickin in the free world.

Anonymous said...

Yea, excelerate's paper project turned out to be a joke. 3 people. Does anyone know about excelerate's electronic discovery project? I guess that's the one with McCarter?

Mitch said...

Don't you mean McFarter?

Unknown said...

Joblesslawyer.com, just released a cartoon I think your readers might relate to. Its title "Document Review Monkeys." It was based off of a situation described in a Tome the Temp Post. But anyone who has done temp work before will get a good chuckle:
http://joblesslawyer.com/cartoons/101209-humor-print-1-document-review-monkeys/

Anonymous said...

it would seem that the MLB people have been called back in for something...is this long term? or do they just work on a day to day basis?

Fired From Everywhere said...

Did Providus MLB people get called back?

Anonymous said...

Well the people i know of who got called back are Special counsel/Update so...????

does MLB just keep people on call and then bring back when there is more work?

Anonymous said...

I'm dismayed to see so many disheartening comments from young lawyers--people who theoretically are smart, disciplined, and dedicated enough to get through a lot of hurdles over years of professional school AND a nasty Bar Exam...That's something to be proud of. It demonstrates tenacity and a strong work ethic...I also think many of you have a knack for writing! So,

Don't give up, guys!! You CAN do things!

Don't ever surrender your pride! And don't ever resent doing what you have to within the law to remain solvent.

From the viewpoint of several years of practice and being a legal consumer myself, there are still opportunities for attorneys who can offer efficient, affordable, and personable customer service.

The fact is that you don't have to work for anyone! You have a license to do your own thing and do it well.

There is a market for your training, potential, and skills. Just don't be afraid to go get it! Making $300 a day with small-time cases probably would be more interesting than coding, much more rewarding, AND more lucrative.
Trust me, there are MANY clients who just want a nice, honest attorney who will return their phone calls!!

Bottomline, you will succeed in law when you get passionate about helping your clients or promoting a cause. And if you can't find an avenue for you, be creative! Just don't forget that I have met many people who just need a decent attorney who is accessible. Unfortunately, there are a lot of jerks and money-grubbers out there--buck the tide! Trust me, there are clients who need YOU.

You can do it! :-)

Felch Nessman said...

LAW SCHOOL CLUSTERFUCK MAKES FRONT PAGE OF PHILLY INQUIRER

http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20091018_Lawyers__Paths_Postponed.html

Pepsi Lover said...

May your hands always be busy
May your feet be always swift
May you have a strong foundation
When the winds of changes shift
May your heart be always joyful
May your song always be sung

May you stay
Forever Young.

code Monkey said...

8:12-

Have you ever gone solo? For every 'good' client, who pays their bills, listens, doesn't lie to you, there are fifty who:
1. Are barking mad and think you're a part of the conspiracy beaming messages into their heads

2. Shamelessly expect freebees

3. Fail to pay bills and threaten to complain to the Bar.

4. Flat out lie when you can't fix it- at a dep, on the stand.

5. Dragonetti Act.

It's harder than it looks. Many weeks I made squat.

If this was an earlier time, 8:12 would claim that all this could be fixed by putting on a show:

"Billy Ray- you've got some instruments. Betty Jo's family has a barn- let's put on a dance and that'l save the orphanage"

Mitch said...

So what did ever happen to the temps in the basement?

clickin' away in Margaritaville said...

I've noticed that NYC and DC Craig's List postings for english doc reviews have started popping up.

I wonder if it's worth it to start commuting to Newark or DC for $30/hr.

Fired From Everywhere said...

I MISS PIZZA FRIDAYS!!

Coder Emeritus said...

Okay everybody, let's try this again.

I still think this comment board is a little out of control. I know nobody liked my attempt at blogging. I'm a poor writer. But I'll attempt to just put up a blank posting board and let people post.

Feel free to comment here:
BlackSheepCopyCat.blogspot.com

Free of any of my thoughts.

The comments will be moderated, so comments will not appear immediately.

In addition to comments which are on ridiculous on their face, I will also delete the following comments:

- any comments containing curses
- any comments to the effect of "get an f-ing job"
- any comments designed to instigate fights. This includes you, SimonFanboy. Regardless of whether you are a real person or merely a flame, you were instigating an unnecessary fight.

and, on the flip side, I will not accept any comments to the tune of
"MLB BasemenTTT"
"DecherTTT"
"Pepper HamilTTTon"
etc.

Let's see if we can get a cleaner discussion going on.

Game on.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, Coder E, shut the f- up! Your blog does suck and so do your comments on this site.

I love Simon too!!!

Anonymous said...

Those of you beating up on CE can lick the back of my ball bag.

It's really pathetic to be unemployed and posting on a dead blog dedicated to a dead industry.

Anonymous said...

So, 12:49 - by posting here doesnt that make YOU really pathetic too?? Thought so.

balllicker said...

I'm not pathetic. You are.

Mitch said...

Well now that this blog is officially dead, anyone have any ideas or guesses as to the identity of black sheep?

Anonymous said...

Yes, Black Sheep is Paul from Dechert and McCarter.

Anonymous said...

Paul who? I thought blacksheep was somebody else.

Rusty Trombone said...

Wolf Block is Dead to 500!!!!!

JoeShit the Ragman said...

Yes...I am 500!! This is the greatest f-ing day of my life!!

BlackSheet said...

I am a contract attorney. I have been on a contract job or two in my career prior to this one, and I have also worked at small firms. I have many friends who have worked in firms of all sizes, and several who are contractors currently. I have learned through both personal experience, and through seeing what has happened to others in the industry. I know what it is like, and I want to change it.

Anonymous said...

OK- aside from the "jobs" posted by juristaff, is anyone hiring for doc review?

I have done the interview shuffle with all the agencies but i get the impression the prospects for doc review are still in the shitter.

Anyone know differently?

I have been out of work for about 6 weeks- I cannot watch anymore daytime television.

Anonymous said...

For what it's worth, there seem to be quite a few job opportunities for non-doc review jobs. Between craigslist, the Legal Intelligencer and the NJ Law Journal, I recall seeing quite a few job posts for entry level associates with a little bit (1-3 years) of experience.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, but I don't really want an associate position. I like the flexibility of doing doc review. I don't understand why everyone gets so down on it. I could do doc review for my entire career and be very happy. Hopefully soon, things will pick up and there will be another big case that will staff several hundred for another 2 to 3 years. I'm sorry, but I just think it's the best way to make a living. No thanks on the associate jobs!

Anonymous said...

They get down on it cause you are not using the degree you paid tons of money for. It gets you no experience at all and you work on a temp basis. No one paid 100K to sit in a doc review room and code. You never use the skills you paid big money for. And when you are out of work and there are no big cases, you sit at home. Exactly WHO would pay money to do that?

Anonymous said...

Yeah, you are correct "I recall seeing quite a few job posts for entry level associates with a little bit (1-3 years) of experience."

Did you get in touch with any of them? I have had 2 call backs, one position was for 40K a year- no benefits and you foot the bill for your own transportation to court, deps, etc. The second was better at an astonishing 50K plus 401K, but no medical coverage.

I made 100K+ doing doc review in 08. I am not so foolish as to believe that every year will be like that, but 60K is not an acceptable wage reduction. I think I will ride out unemployment before I work for (40K/52 (no vacation your first year) /60hrs (I am sure this is an underestimate) *.66 (.33 for taxes) = 8.47/hr after taxes.

F*ck that. It is not even a matter of pride- who can live on a take home of $507/week plus all the expense of being a lawyer?

And by the way 1-3 years is not entry level. You must have substantive experience outside of doc review. You must be able to take a dep, file a motion, be a lawyer. If all you have done is doc review you are not qualified for these positions and will not even be considered.

Anonymous said...

I can tell you this, everyone. DOC REVIEW COUNTS AS NO EXPERIENCE. If you haven't worked somewhere else as an attorney (not a coder), IT DOESN'T COUNT. You cannot work 2 years in doc review and put down "years of experience-2." That is coding. You will make yourself look even worse than you can imagine if you apply for a job and have only coded and list that you have experience. It comes off like a bad lie and you are already off on a lousey foot, only having coded. It does NOT count as legal experience and you are still at 0 years, entry level. There are people who actually were associates at firms and DID work a full year or whatnot in an associate capacity.

Anonymous said...

For anyone hoping for the next big doc review, it's pretty much over and you had better find something else to do. How is that not clear? it was a trend and a phase and it's over. Firms are not going that path- they are outsourcing or doing it in-house. The last mass-hire was years ago. What isn't obvious?

And don't you think for the next mass-hire, if there were to be one, the jobs would be first given to the unemployed, laid-off attorneys with experience before someone who has only coded?

You obviously believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny if you think there will be another big 2-3 year project where they will hire people with merely coding experience as opposed to all the associates who were laid off with no where to go. And I highly doubt there will ever be another surge in doc review anyway.

Anonymous said...

To those who want to make a living practicing law, you're going to have to take an entry level job at some point. It won't pay much and frankly why should it? You technically have no skills. It is unreasonable to expect to waltz right from law school to the corner office.

Think of it as an internship or residency. You will be surprised how quickly earinings and career options get better once you get to know what you're doing. If your have a real desire to practice law, this is the way to go.

Anonymous said...

I love the people who say, I make 100K in doc review and I refuse to accept less at an entry level job. Which entry level experience I do not yet possess. that makes a lot of sense- when you will never see the 100K in doc review again. Better to be unemployed with no experience than work for less and get the experience you need to earn more?

wonderful work ethic.

Anonymous said...

Who do you think is going to be worse off in the long run- the 2009 grads who can't find legal/or doc review work and work at Starbucks for a year before they can find an entry level position or the 2006 grads who have only done doc review and are just now starting to look for an entry level position?

I think it is pretty clear people who have only done doc review and graduated in 05-08 are totally screwed in the long run. Grads for 09-10 will never have the opportunity to soil their reputations with doc review- and for that reason alone they will always be more marketable.

Anonymous said...

10:52 PM I think you are wrong. Big firms will probably see another huge surge in contract attorneys as they have deferred/laid off all the associates that would submit to doc review in-house. And despite the alarmists, the most that has been outsourced for doc review has been the technical coding (date, time, sender, etc)- very little, if any, substantive doc review has been outsourced to foreign lands. That said, I think there will be a definite up-tick in contract work as the legal market picks up. Big firms would rather pay $45 an hour to an agency that invest in a 1st year associate if all they are going to have them do is doc review.

And- in case you don't know- the agencies really hate when people have actual substantive experience. They have to run a more complete conflicts check, the agency runs the risk that the person with experience may be running their own law firm on the side (which agencies don't allow but can't really enforce) and the person with experience may actually just be in this for the short term- which means that the agency will have to pay to find and train their replacement.

Anonymous said...

Uh, the FIRMS do the actual hiring and despite what agencies may want, they would rather have the experience. The conflicts aren't that difficult to manage.

And they are using associates NOW to do document review. It was a lot easier than firing them and then having to rehire later. It is what they will continue to do.

how long do most of us have to wait before we do something else, or are we just going to sit here and dream of a resurgence in doc review?

Anonymous said...

and even if doc rev does return, what are you going to do until it does? UC runs out, big news. and i cannot believe anyone would bypass the shot at an entry level job while waiting for doc review to restart. that is just absolutely insane.

Anonymous said...

OK- Firms pick the actual candidates- you are correct. However, the agency selects the 15 candidates for the firm to interview for the 10 openings.

Conflicts checks are easy- but some firms want to skip the expense all together (Stradley) and don't run one. Which means they only hire people that they know have only worked in doc review for pharma defense.

Right now BIGLAW is using their associates for doc review- but as they thin the associate herd and assign them to marginally more substantive work - it will be easier to hire contract attorneys than associates.

Doc review resurgence eminent, see?

Anonymous said...

I plan on waiting out my 26+26+13. Some project will pop up in the next 13 months (already 2 mos in).

Bud Hempfield said...

As an attorney who has done doc review in the past, I can tell you that most lawyers have no idea what doc review is. It's mostly those who work in big law that have a clue what doc review is and of any stigma that may be attached to it. The experience can be spun any number of ways for purposs of geting a job. Most firms who interview someone with a couple years of experience assume they know nothing anyway. Doc review should therefore not be a hinderence to getting an entry level position.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know what is going on with Morgan Lewis? Is there anyone in the basement?

Mitchster said...

Is Deckert still hiring?

Code Monkey said...

Bud-

Good to hear from an escapee from Pod 27!

To the others-

I'm a proud doc review monkey. I'd also love to get my hands dirty with some real experience. Unfortunately the only interviews I get are for $10/hr 'clerkships' at chuckleheaded solo shops. Teaching pays more than that and I think that's easier experience to spin than an internship.

I'm waiting to here from Denise Asnes whether or not I've got a gig on Monday.

Bud Hempfield said...

Good luck, Code monkey.

Temptastic said...

Any news? Anything happening? Is anyone in the basement?

BudAdams said...

Tempastic,

Forget trying to find a job
unless you are well connected and
can demonstrate that you are very
keenly skilled as a lawyer.

You can't expect to get hire based
on only document review projects
unless you are well-endowed.

Bud Adams

Jeffrey Nydick said...

By well endowed, do you mean boobies? I like boobies. They're nice.

The Schmitter said...

Where's the bathroom? I've got faces to melt.

Anonymous said...

Hey...who wants a ham sandwich?

Temptastic said...

Has anyone been in contact with the postings on craigslist- there have been 2 in the last week or so-I was wondering if anyone had actually heard anything?

Farmer Ted said...

What's going on?

Anonymous said...

Yes, Tempastic, I called them and found out that Wolf Block is starting to staff a new project that should begin sometime in December. You should call them ASAP and get your resume in somebody's hands. I'm not sure how many people they'll be staffing, but I wouldn't wait any longer. Here's the number... (215) 328-7448. Ask for either Richard or Harry (Sorry, I forgot the last names).

Dick said...

4:48, thanks for the tip, but I just tried to call and was unable to get through. Do you have another number or email address?

Anonymous said...

Hey Everybody...Paula Deen just got hit in the face with a ham! So sad. Please send your best wishes to her. She really needs your support at this time.

Anonymous said...

werer

Tecate is an energy drink said...

Temptastic-

Excelerate and HireCounsel both bid for some gig at Fox Rothschild (sp), only to find that the project is delayed.

I miss gruel.

Anonymous said...

does anyone remember q*bert?

so good...yummy in my tummy said...

IRISH BEEF STEW

4 lbs. beef, chuck or round cut into 2 inch squares
4 tbsp. shortening
2 qts. boiling water
Juice of one lemon
1 tbsp. Worcestershire sauce
2 cloves of garlic, minced
1 lg. onion, minced
4 bay leaves
2 tbsp. salt
1 tsp. pepper
1 tsp. paprika
2 dashes of ground cloves
2 tbsp. sugar
2 small cans white onions
2 lg. cans Irish potatoes
2 bunches carrots, quartered
2 pkgs. pie crust mix
1 c. flour

Dredge meat in flour. Melt shortening until it is smoking hot. Brown meat, add water, lemon juice and Worcestershire sauce. Add garlic, onion and bay leaves. Add dry ingredients. Bring to a rolling boil, then lower heat to a medium setting. Cook slowly for two hours, adding water to cover if necessary.
Add carrots, cook 20 minutes on high heat, add potatoes and onions, let cook ten more minutes or until carrots are tender.

Prepare pie crust as directed on package. Pour stew into one huge or two large casserole dishes. Cover with pie crust. Brown in 400 degree oven until crust is browned.

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Anonymous said...

Does anyone have a good recipe for Minced Meat Pie?

Anonymous said...

The Fox Rothchild project went to Hudson, it has already started.

VeryLargePenisMan said...

What about the Wolf Block project? Does anyone know anything about that? Is Hudson staffing that too??

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnT5NI5YFJU

Anonymous said...

NEWS FLASH!!

Providus is looking to staff a project that is likely to start next month. We're back in business, Mortimer!

Anonymous said...

With my luck, I'll be in a hot, airless room with Dr. Facemelter for $10/hour.

And I'll like it.

Anonymous said...

what firm is it at?

it seriously must be the only gig that even has a remote shot

any pharma experience required?

can you only imagine how many people will be shooting to get a job with this one?

who is the firm who will be selecting?

Hershey Squirt said...

No word on which firm is involved. It may be Morgan Lewis. MBL currently has a small, ongoing, 5-10 person project with Providus. Please post any info available.

Anonymous said...

MLB certainly has nothing more than that going on at the minute. Nothing more is going on than the Pepper review, really-and who even knows how much longer that will go. Seems to be winding down given I have heard they cut weekend hours. NO one has heard anything at all about any more major doc reviews upcoming.

pretty much a dead zone

so, all us unemployed doc reviewers: can we hear what you are planning to do when UC runs out? Anyone?

Anonymous said...

Any word on that Wolf Block project I keep hearing about? Is that the same one that's in the basement?

Anonymous said...

Best doc review quote ever:

"Guys, we'd really prefer it if you didn't drink AT work."

Anonymous said...

Well, I ain't working nowhere where you can't drink at work! bad enough I can't smoke at my desk anymore. damn liberals!!

Anonymous said...

"What? Like I crossed a line or something?"

or the exchange that still makes me giggle

"What? Worse things have been said in this office"

"Yeah- BY YOU"

Fired From Everywhere said...

"Energy drinks will make us all walk around with hard-ons."

Anonymous said...

This is rumor control.

Denise Asnes is submitting resumes for a pharma review
rr donnelly is looking for priv reviewers as well

this is all. Remember to file for uc today

Anonymous said...

Northeastern University took a slamming today on JD Underground:

http://www.jdunderground.com/thread.php?threadId=8469#post11

"I am the Northeastern School of Law (NUSL) poster in question. Usually vent my frustrations on other websites, but recently joined jdunderground. Here are my thoughts on Dean Spieler's remarks.

I am not surprised at all. It is in the school's self-interest to provide the most positive spin on their $200,000 product. With the debate of UMASS taking over Southern New England School of Law, there has been a lot of condemnation of Northeastern, as well as Suffolk and New England School of Law, for providing a third-rate legal education and career prospects at an Ivy-league cost."

The post goes on to slam Northeastern's lack of attention to rank, poor job prospects, and utterly dominant liberal bias.

After detailing how NUSL ruined his life, the poster concludes:

"To sum all of this up, Northeastern admin, Dean Spieler, and career services: go fuck yourselves. Fuck the school."

Ouch.

Anonymous said...

Delicious Trifle Recipe

Ingredients
2 (8 or 9 inch) white cake layers, baked and cooled
2 pints fresh strawberries 1/4 cup white sugar
1 pint fresh blueberries
2 bananas
1/4 cup orange juice
1 (3.5 ounce) package instant vanilla pudding mix
2 cups milk
3 oz. ball sweat
1 cup heavy whipping cream
1/4 cup blanched slivered almonds 12 maraschino cherries

Directions
Slice strawberries and sprinkle them with sugar. Cut the bananas into slices and toss with orange juice. Combine pudding mix with milk and mix until smooth. Cut the cake into 1 inch cubes.
Use half of the cake cubes to line the bottom of a large glass bowl. Layer half of the strawberries followed by half of the blueberries, and then half of the bananas. Spread half of the pudding over the fruit. Drizzle ball sweat over fruit. Repeat layers in the same order.
In a medium bowl, whip the cream to stiff peaks and spread over top of trifle. Garnish with maraschino cherries and slivered almonds.

Soooooo good!

A. Friend said...

Denise at Hirecounsel is staffing a 6-12 month project at Grant & Eisenhofer in Wilmington, DE. The pay is $30/hour straight and the hours will be 40-50 per week. must be admitted in any state.

Temptastic said...

I worked at this firm in DE 5+ years ago as a contractor. They had great accommodations, (10th+ floor office space, your own full cube and all the water/soda/coffee you could drink)and treated all the contract attorneys with respect. Really, they apologized to me when I started for not having a full office for me, just a cube. Total class act operation.

But be careful- they perform plaintiff's class action work and working here WILL preclude you from working at any defense firm (pepper, dechert, MLB) in the future b/c of the fucked-up way “conflicts” are determined in the doc review world.

Anonymous said...

Be leery of G&E in Wilmington. I disagree with Temptastic- unless they treat their contract attorneys that much better than they do their regular associates. It's known as a sweatshop and Stuart Grant is nothing shy of a loon. This is a person who will retract an offer to a potential associate if they do not accept the minute he offers it. His reason: "I do not want anyone who doesn't want to work here that bad." So, unless they treat other people on a temp basis that well...

agreed with above on the conflict thing. Working for a plaintiff's firm will axe you right out of any other job. Won't even get an interview. Good reminder, Temptastic. And thanks. A lot of us forget this whole conflict issue in the heat of trying to get a job. Better to stay with the defense firms as listed above because that's where most of the future work will be, anyway.

How long is the commute to wilmington, anyway?

Anyone know how many they are looking to hire for this?

Anonymous said...

smell my fart. smell is good.

Karl Hungus said...

I hear that both Hirecounsel and Providus are staffing gigs. I know that HC is staffing the wilmington project. Any word on the Providus gig?

Anonymous said...

Anybody hear from HC about the Montgomery McCracken gig?

Anonymous said...

Yeah, the Montgomery project will go only a month or so. If you have a chance to apply for the Wilmington gig (and are willing to travel down there), choose that one.

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Anonymous said...

I love boobies.

Ned Flanders said...

Has anyone heard anything about the Hirecounsel project in Wilmington? Have they hired anyone yet? What about Providus?

Anonymous said...

I'm drunk, on the couch. Just found out that PA UC is being cut ~3% because they're getting low on reserves.

Haven't heard from HC or RR Donnelly about projects I've been submitted for. Figure that the holidays are slowing down temp hiring.

Fuckers. I want to get off the couch and earn some cash instead of mooching off the system and drinking.

Heck. I'd stab someone for a $30/hour project. Maybe I shouldn't mention this at the next interview.

Anyways, happy f'n holidays for the few coders who still show up here.

Anonymous said...

i forgot to wear deodorant today. damn i'm stinky.

jizzface said...

my taint itches. does anyone have any solutions?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone heard about ANY new projects at all?????

How are these placement agencies (update, juristaff, etc.) staying remotely alive?

Let me back in the coding pod said...

I think the agencies are going to start bringing back old tricks from the first Great Depression.

Temps are going to have to pay their placement agencies up front for jobs. That will 'weed out' the amount of resumes submitted to the firms.

RR Donnelly did interviews today. Haven't heard from any of the usual suspects.

Did anybody get the UC cutoff letter recently?

Anonymous said...

seriously people...it ain't coming back!!! find a new line of employment STAT! Did you really want to be a loser coder all your life anyway? Time to grow some hair on your balls and get out there and starting doing something real...even if it isn't law. So, pick up your empty balls sacks and get going!!

Temptastic said...

Document Review- Market Manager (Philadelphia)

This company is an aggressive legal staffing company that is expanding into Philadelphia. The company operates a unique model, has a number of competitive advantages and expects to quickly gain market share. They are looking for someone who can think like an owner-operator and who wants to be rewarded like one.

This position will be home-based. This person will be responsible for recruiting and building a top notch database of attorneys to perform document review, in addition to delivering the company's unique marketing message and value proposition to local companies and law firms. The ideal candidate will be someone with previous experience in the legal industry, and who has the knowledge, contacts and desire to work independently from home while still being able to participate in meetings and interviews outside of their home office. This person will be a multi-tasker, excellent communicator and not satisfied with less than a 6 figure income.

The company will pay generously for performance. This individual will earn a share of every hour billed by document review professionals he or she puts to work. This person will be an independent contractor and will have business development and recruiting support from the company to help him or her grow the local business as quickly as possible.

Interested candidates should send their resume, and a cover letter that explains why you'd be the right fit for this position, in Word format to irecruitlawyers@yahoo.com.

Anonymous said...

I ate a sheep once. It had blue velvet ears and a carrot for a nose. I tilted the pinball machine too hard and it spilled my cereal bowl onto my plate of hen eggs. Speaking of eggs, can you come over and play with my apples? Sptring cheese is yummy too, especially when you put it on breast milk sandwiches. I love people who love goats. Goats are cool, and delicious. Once, when I was at band camp, I banged an elephant, and it was a sweet ride. Go and get my cape. We're going for a ride. Please tell me you love me. I like reading stories, especially at nap time. Do you like stories too? When you come over to play, we should pile on top of the mashed potatoes and throw gravy at midgets. Really, you cannot eat an entire bag of donuts yourself. Please save some crayons for the giraffes. Big fuzzy koalas. Quit bugging me. Poop. Let's fly to the moon.

Former Fucktard said...

Is anybody still working on the third floor of 2 Logan? If so, how many and which project?

Temptastic said...

There are 2 projects running out of the space. Dechert & Fox Roth. I don't think either one is hiring.

Anonymous said...

People who eat meat are weird. So are those who play baseball and toss midgets. There are just too many apples to eat. They are so yummy. I love bikinis. And pumkpins, but not in that order. Heat up some tomato juice for me please. Question all mortgage rates and gravity. Just let pregnant woman sit in chairs and eat coconuts. Demand green peas for breakfast. Live zestfully and drink lots of fluids on hot days. Under the umbrella. Poop. Do yoga and remember to stretch after snacks. Try humidity. Just let it yodel loud so that you can no longer cheat on tests and grow cheese in your back yard. Glowing. Closed x-ray machines suck. Soup is yummy. Clover is bad. Very good. Beards are scratchy. No one brushes their teeth anymore. Moon. Light. Kurd. Johnson Had Given Fred dreaded seeds and pooped on Ingrid under your tote ribbon. Every weedy Question asks some deeper feeling going hot just kind laughter.

Temptastic said...

Dear Richard Rod:

You sure do have a potty mouth. If I wanted to get off my "fat ass" and make $47,500.00 a year I would. And spare me the "in a few years you will be making more money than now" line. In order to make more money than I do now, I would need 5 years of 15% pay increases. And by the bye, how big of a raise did you get this year? 15%? I am sure!!!

And did I mention that the "real job" I would be working at would require me to work really hard too?

Who is the fucktard now?

Former Fucktard said...

Hahaha! Nice!

Anonymous said...

Some of us just got picked up for the RR Donnelly gig. Not a bad rate- 34/hr +ot.

Couple months of this and my CC debt is gone.

Anonymous said...

How many got hired for the RR Donnelly gig? Where is it at, anyway? What type of project?

Any clue what agency got the people hired?

Any clue how long of a project it is? are we talking another 2 year one or like 5 months?

Anonymous said...

agree with Rod.

Either you take the lower pay with the hope of HAVING A JOB IN FIVE YEARS or run out of UC, have no job, no experience, no future...and just be like, well, I just didn't wanna work that hard.

I guarantee you, being unemployed is a LOT harder.

Temptastic said...

Say what you will about my work ethic, poverty-stricken lifestyle and my mother, but do not, EVER, imply that I am a moron that went to Widener.

Felchmaster Flash said...

RR Donnelly hired 10 people (I wasn't one of them). They wanted a 1 year commitment, but who knows what that means.

I directly applied. From what Ive heard, they pulled a bunch of people who worked for Providus- maybe that Kush guy also recruits for them.

As for 'what kind of case'- who the fuck cares? They're documents, I review them.

One group of people has lawyers, another group of people might have money. Litigation may be involved. I don't care about a project I didn't get hired for.

Anonymous said...

Where is the RR Donnelly project going to be? In center city? Where are their offices?

Wow, only 10 hired, that's not much.

Lots of people still S.O.L with UC running out....

Anonymous said...

calling doctor testicle face. plese make me some jello. i want eggs and pancakes with my toast and grated cheese. whoever helps me will get a reward. probably a trip to istanbul or someplace exotic. somewhere with palm trees and rodents. eat sandwiches, they are yummy. when will is stop raining? quit that job of yours and collect UC with the rest of us. places are verbs. trees are adjectives, but can sometimes be adverbs too. the number two is so confusing. ehy, who wants some eggs benedict. i am soo hungry i could eat bugs. the letter z is strange. when you think about it. plots to eat apples cannot be reasoned with. go get me wine. red or white. course is miracles is a stupid book. hippies.

Anonymous said...

umm, do you need help??

anyway, i heard through a connection in D.C. that another big law firm in Philly (with a D.C. office) is about to go belly-up. has anyone heard anything about this?

also, any other projects coming down the pike?

Anonymous said...

literally, No projects whatsoever anywhere. it is totally dead. dead dead dead.

Could it be blank rome???? I heard they were in deep poopy...

Anonymous said...

could be. i was given no other details.

just curious, what are people doing when their uc runs out? people have been out of work for a long time now. are people moving on to other profesisons? are people hanging their own shingles? doing nothing? just curious. i'd love to get some feedback.

Anonymous said...

so would i. I have seen the question posted before and no one answers. No clue what people are doing--- UC has to be over for most soon. From what I've heard some people believe in the good tooth fairy that it's just a matter of time. It isn't.

there is no doc review anymore and also there are no entry level jobs.no clue what people are hoping to do.

but some still profess how they will never take these low-paying firm jobs. well call me crazy but some money with gaining experience is better than no money!

Anonymous said...

is anyone still temping at Barroway Topaz (aka Hell?) How long is that expected to go for, if it is indeed still ongoing?

Anonymous said...

Isn't that the project that has cameras on the temps at all times and closely monitors all internet use? What a fucked up gig. Also, it's a plaintiff's firm and it's all make work to pad their fees when the cases settle. STAY AWAY!!

Anonymous said...

yep that's the firm, but is anyone still temping there? see periodic postings on careerbuilder, etc. for " radnor securities firm" and while I am not applying, just curious if they still have people there (working under those conditions) and if so, why aren't they on here bitching?

Dancing Temp said...

I'm considering stripping. Who thought it would ever come to this?

Anonymous said...

Not like there are any doc review jobs, and you gotta pay the bills when UC ends...which is soon

Hot MILF said...

I am considering porn.

Anonymous said...

Simon Nagel works for Hudson Legal now!?!

Tyler Durden said...

Is this Simon Nagel rumor confirmed? Who at Hudson thought that hiring that D-Bag was some sort of coup? Is he supposed to help attract attorneys through his contacts at Vioxx or run projects with his superlative leadership skills?

WTF?!?!?

Special Needs Hooker said...

Yay! I am number 600!

Anonymous said...

Any news on any doc reviews anywhere, upcoming or not?

Does MLB have any doc reviews going at all? had heard rumors about a potential doc review but then heard zero

Nothing new at Pepper or Dechert- totally dead. Just the existing stuff.

Anonymous said...

Anyone in the basement at Morgan?

Anonymous said...

that wasn't the question, moron. Someone asked if there was any doc review going on anywhere, including morgan.

the old basement joke is OLD and it's not like anyone even smirks. get over it.

Anonymous said...

is Simon really at Hudson???

Anonymous said...

Simon is at hudson but not as a recruiter. He is higher up than that and in charge of sales.

Anonymous said...

Ed Caulfield's old position?

Anonymous said...

So, when are the document review jobs coming back? That have to come back sometime and the economy seems to be getting better. I really don't want to work at a firm or in government and doc review is a great way to make a lot of money stress-free. I know people complain, but I do not mind sitting at a computer all day redacting documents. Does anyone have any guesses when the jobs are coming back? Or what types of cases are in the works??

Anonymous said...

If you like doc review that much you may want to move to Bangalor. Otherwise, it's time to grow up and do something real.

Poop Soggy Dog said...

http://abovethelaw.com/2010/01/outsourcing_its_cheap_and_easy.php#more

Anonymous said...

There is some doc work going on. Kelly's staffing something at MLB for $29/hr.

Anonymous said...

How long is this MLB project supposed to last? are they going to use MLB contract lawyers that are being only called in here and there or whole new staffing?

Temptastic said...

Kelly didn't do the original staffing- or at least not all of it. I would assume this isn't the aforementioned "call back to the basement."

In the wilds of the North East... said...

Kelly's also doing a DuPont gig in Wilmington- for coders with cars, it might be worthwhile-

Jack Often said...

Coders have cars?

Temptastic said...

Found this on craigslist. I guess anyone can go solo!!

attorney (south jersey)

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Date: 2010-01-20, 8:51PM EST
Reply to: job-tgq4t-1562739148@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

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Me partner started small law firm in collingswood nj. We have great location but we share an office with a title company but we are right on Haddon ave in Collingswood nj. We are looking for a young attorney or a someone with some experience to join us. We are both pa attornies we need someone that is licensed in New Jersey. All cost are very low all we need is some to throw in own our website and marketing plan and to split our costs on the website. I aim a very ambitious person who thinks big.I want to work with other people that think the way I think. Times are tough none us had the job opporutunities that we had hoped for, instead of feeling down and depressed about we can do something about. Join us! Everything we do well be a three way split.

Anonymous said...

sniff my fart. sniff it good. mmmmm, smells soooo good. so good.

Anonymous said...

I think the dudes going off on their own could start with some ESL language sessions first.

Anonymous said...

well, maybe you can offer to teach it. you're an unemployed loser, right??

Anonymous said...

I found this really great site with a lot of really helpful information about the doc review world, especially as it relates to Philly. Check it out...

http://blacksheepcontractatty.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

It was exceedingly helpful.

When there was doc review.

Anonymous said...

I heard a rumor that Wolf Block was dead - is that true??

Anonymous said...

Is there a review going on right now in Northeast Philly?

Anonymous said...

you clowns are do entertaining! ever think of getting a real job at this point?

Anonymous said...

The distinction between a "real job" and a "job" is a false distinction.

Any occupation/activity that pays the bills and puts food on the table is a job.

Many of us have relatives who picked mushrooms for a living, or scrubbed ovens and toilets for low wages and no benefits. But it paid the bills and put food on the table. There is dignity in all work.

Anonymous said...

I never thought I'd say this, but I miss working at 2 Logan. Isn't it pathetic that I consider that the "good old days"? At leadt we had steady work and despite the draconian conditions, I liked the people I worked with - even Simon (David L. was a total creep). I guess the days of the long term doc review project are totally over.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, agree with above. I think the days of the long term proj. are over.

Goes to show, the stuff we complained about...it was still work and still money.

Anonymous said...

The Northeast Philly project may be moving to CC or Conshohocken. It's a good rate ($36/hr flat)if you're staffed through Providus (we're not supposed to discuss the rate with people staffed from Kelly).

The project is ramping up- maybe an additional 20-40 people.

Anonymous said...

how long is Northeast proj. expected to go? any idea?

Is Update staffing it at all?

Do they want prior experience?

Anonymous said...

What happened black sheep? This blog used to be a great source of info and now it's worthless. I checked and there aren't even Kelly people on the NE project so whoever is giving this info is full of it

Code Monkey said...

This is rumor control:

The "northeast philly" contract is RR Donnelly. Diamond staffed the first 8 and Kelly may be staffing the next 10-30.

This project may be moving to CC or elsewhere.

Kelly is also staffing a DuPont review in Wilmington.

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