Wednesday, March 25, 2009

Wolf Block is dead!!!

Well, one major Philadelphia legal institution for the past 106 years passed away. Wolf block voted to disband the other day. The reasons that have been put forward are: mergers and acquisitions, structured finance or real estate focused practice; the economic recession; the current credit crunch; and oh, the fact that the partners did not want to stand behind their own firm. One report I read indicated that a large part of this was that not very many of the partners wanted to personally ensure the line of credit that they needed to take out for operating expenses, and that they were upset that profits were down so the partners only made $321,000 on average in 2008 (Down from $400,000 in 2007).

Some Links:
Philly Inquirer--Wolf Block Lawyers Face Difficult Job-hunting Climate

Philly Daily News--Wolf Block Lawyers Left Only With Fond Memories


Legal Intelligencer--No Easy Answers in Wolf Block's Demise

Legal Intelligencer--Credit Woes, Failed Merger Bids Take Toll on Wolf Block

Wall Street Journal--Wolf Block to Dissolve Philadelphia Law Firm

Business Journal--Wolf Block law firm to dissolve

The thing is that I believe that many firms large and small do not get the concept that there needs to be at least a vague semblance of a pyramidal structure of leadership. The fact is that most firms, even those mega firms like Dechert are too top heavy. There are too many partners and equity partners and not enough accountability. When you have too many partners, you can not get them to all agree on anything, and in fact you are likely to have many of them making more conservative moves without their names on the door or their own personal money invested. The partners will rarely put themselves out of work, and you can be sure that all of the partners from this dissolution will end up somewhere else. The young attorneys will be scrambling, and I wouldn't be surprised to see some of them on contract jobs in the future.

As far as why you should be concerned. While I have not heard of Wolf Block hiring any contractors in the last five years (so we are not really losing a contract employer), as I just mentioned, there are that many other lawyers out there looking for work. Will they deign to do contract work? In this economy, probably. Will they be able to find associate or partner positions? It sounds like many are already lining up these positions, but of course that means any contractor looking for an associate position is going to find it that much harder to find one. And with some firms already delaying first year start dates, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that offers are rescinded putting more recent grads in the desperate position of needing to work anywhere. Also, don't forget that many firms suffer from a top heavy management structure, and layoffs at major firms have been touching all levels. A dissolution could happen to any firm in the near future, even Pepper Hamilton, Morgan Lewis, or Dechert. So even those of you who have been contracting at those places for years, are not necessarily safe (and certainly less safe than the associates or partners).

For those of you who would use this to point out that contracting is just as secure as any other job out there, think again. If you are an associate somewhere, even if all you have ever done is Document Review work, you are perceived to have a skill set, as a contractor you are not. As an associate, even in situations like this you are entitled to certain benefits, or portions thereof, as a contractor you are entitled to nothing. As a contractor, you will likely be the first one out on the street, and the last one to be hired by a new firm. There is more job security as a full-time employee, and a recognized skill set that comes along with the position which makes you more mobile when it comes to looking for new employment.

Contract attorneys actually do have a skill set, but you wouldn't know it from the way firms treat applicants for full-time positions that have primarily contract experience, nor from the way that they treat contractors on document reviews for the firms (firms tend to treat contractors as idiots who barely graduated high school, and believe that anyone can do the work, though the last associate that I saw code a document screwed it up and crashed the system). The real question is how to make that skill set known and transferable.

I digress though, what are your thoughts.

As far as those of you asking about additional work, I have no updates other than to say it sounds like several contract firms are trolling for resumes. And I am sure for positions to post people in, but many of them do not have positions ready immediately.

Feel free to comment.

Black Sheep

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Anonymous said...

Ned-


Get back to work.

Codie.

Melter of Faces said...

How are the bathrooms at this RR Donnelly gig?

Anonymous said...

any word on a project starting back up at MLB?

Anonymous said...

The bathrooms are fine. No need to make them smell like a Sunoco refinery...

Anonymous said...

One more opening on the RR Donnelly job.

Send your resumes now!!!

Anonymous said...

New doc review posted on craigslist:

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/lgl/1596454561.html

Anonymous said...

Doc review is so dead that even the bloggers aren't blogging about it anymore. Time to move on people. Time to grow up and get real jobs!!

Anonymous said...

Actually, it seems that Philly doc reviewers only blog when:

a) ther is a big cattle call review going on with lots to complain about such as Vioxx or Seraquel.

or

b) everyone is unemployed and has nothing better to do than blog all day.

I take the recent silence to mean that many people are silently employed but don't want to share any info lest their secret escape. I hope I am right about that. Good luck to all!

Pod Denizen said...

Some of us can post from work. I guess there's not that much to talk about-

Does the person who called the RR Donnelly review room read these posts?

Anonymous said...

duh - the blog is dead cause there are no new jobs and the only ones going are the Pepper review, the Stradley Review, and the MLB "substitute temps" who get called in here and there. There are no major doc reviews to gripe about and there is no market, so if you have a job, say, at pepper, you can't really compare it to MLB/Dechert anymore.

It's dead because the market is dead!

Anonymous said...

So, uh, is Wolf Block still dead?

And, I'm officially requesting from the powers-that-be a Black Sheep post about how awesome the Doc Review world in Philly has been the past year.

Anonymous said...

Question: does anyone know of anyone who HAS been temping for 2 or more years and has been hired full-time by a firm, government office, anything? Does it happen in this market?

Anonymous said...

No, that does not happen in this market. Yes, it did happen prior to the bottom falling out of the market. I can count 5 temps I know that made their way out of temping into a govt. position or private firm after 2-3 years in doc review.

However, the 5 people out of say, 100 reviewers I have known enough to believe them when they say they landed a "real job," 3 have been laid off and have returned to temping in the last 18 months.

So you have a 2% chance of getting out in a good legal hiring environment.

Anonymous said...

wow. sobering.

so no one has been able to "get out" of document since the fallout?

what other professions have people tried? I mean, with doc review dead, people have to do SOMETHING...and the longer out with no experience, the chances lessen...

Even when the market turns around, those of us with only 3 years of doc review on our resume really won't be hired...

Anonymous said...

The truth is, you have to start with an entry level position no matter how little it pays. Doc Review allowed people to make a lot more money right out of school. Now that Doc Review is dead, those entry level positions at low pay are the only options for starting and advancing a legal career.

Anonymous said...

are there any entry level jobs for ppl who have been doc rev for 3years? anyone know of anyone who got a job at entry level recently, since the recession? i would think the jobs would go to most recent grads first cause if you have been out of school for 3 years, you are now competing against 2 classes below you for entry level jobs?

Anonymous said...

1-3 years experience is still considered entry level. Most employers will presume you know nothing at that level anyway - hence the low starting pay.

Anonymous said...

4:17 AM is right. Whether it's right after law school or after 4 years of temping, you're going to have to take an entry level job at some point and learn how to be a lawyer. That is if you have any desire to stay in this business.

Anonymous said...

but is anyone who has temped 2-3 years even getting entry level jobs in this market? or are these jobs going
to more recent grads? i am willing to take 20k
but I haven't seen any jobs!

Anonymous said...

to the person above, thank you, that's my question exactly. I am willing to take fricking 5K per year for an entry level job after 2 years of doc review but i don't even know of anyone who has gotten INTERVIEWS for any available entry level jobs.

Does anyone know of anyone in this market who has gotten an entry level job? post-economic collapse?

i also feel that I am "competing" with people from now three classes below me for a job. From wht i've heard, the more recent grads are more appealing. There is something about having been relatively unemployed for 2 or three years that makes employers want a recent grad without that "stigma"

can any one give any "case studies" of someone who temped 2 years and got an entry level job in the past year since everything took the nosedive?

It's funny- the common pleas clerkships in bucks or montgo that no one wanted when my sister went to law school are now already filled and anyone would kill to have one of those jobs graduating

but really can anyone give instsances where a person doing doc review got a low-paying entry level job, in recent history?

Code Monkey said...

A few people from my old project (Providus) got entry level law jobs. It's possible. That would have been August of last year.

I think one of the problems is that doc review has blunted our brains. We get paid pretty well for an unaccountable job. Taking 35k seems laughable when I can make three times that clicking away.

But I think the market is starting to thaw (unlike the snow on my roof). I've been called twice in the last week by headhunters for permanent employment and the usual suspect temp agencies are starting to fill projects.

Heck- if some of the mongoloids I used to work with are employed, the market can't be _that_ bad.

Anonymous said...

you've been called by headhunters for law firm jobs?

Anonymous said...

sorry- didnt' finish--- have you gotten interviews yet, or just "we'll put you in for this job?"

Anonymous said...

is stradley's avandia project still going on?

Anonymous said...

hey is stradley's avandia project still ongoing?

Anonymous said...

Stradeley's Avandia project is both ongoing and still going on.

Anonymous said...

But Stradley is not adding anyone new.

Anonymous said...

Somebody needs to call flame on the "Code Monkey" above with his claims of calls from headhunters for permanent employment, unless, Code Monkey is one of the following:
1. a biglaw or boutique associate with at least 3-4 years of real experience looking to lateral

2. a partner level type with a portable book of business

moreover, where are these agencies actually filling out projects? just because Denise Asnes trots out solicitations every week doesn't mean there are any real projects out there

Pod Person said...

I am one of the mongoloids who used to work with Code Monkey on a previous project. While I cannot disclose his identity, I can assure you all that he is certainly credible and not a "flame."

Pod Person said...

I am one of the mongoloids who used to work with Code Monkey on a previous project. While I cannot disclose his identity, I can assure you all that he is certainly credible and not a "flame."

Temptastic said...

Code Monkey may have "headhunter" confused with "recruiter."

A headhunter calls you because they see your pretty face on a law firm's professional web site in an area of law that (1)has an opening, and (2) is competitive. A headhunter is also paid a fair amount by a firm that can afford, not only the new associate, but also the headhunter's fee. In philly, headhunters generally work in areas like ip, high end commercial, patents and all the usual practice groups found in BigLaw.

A "recruiter" is some asshole, who works at Special Counsel, Oxford, Hudson, or the like, who wants to double check that you are still available just in case they start staffing a $17/hr doc review gig "in the near future." You may not remember because of the drugs or your general retardation, but you have already sent the recruiter your resume (cause trust me, we both know your face is not on any website that could be deemed "professional"). The recruiter calls you because they need to justify that they are doing something - since they have no projects to staff or maintain- so their paycheck keeps on coming. The recruiter has no job for you.

But to be fair, some "headhunters" in the peak of the law market, did some recruiting for ID firms, workers comp, "shitlaw." This is the exception and not the rule.

Conclusion: Code Monkey is a flame.

Longtime Reader-First Time Poster said...

alternate conclusion: Temptastic is miserable, jealous and refuses to believe that other people may have marketable skills and experience that he does not have. It's funny how many people on these blogs are so quick to yell, "flame" anytime someone discloses that they have experienced a mdicum of success. Why do people also seem to think that, if no one is interested in hiring me, nobody could possibly be interested in hiring you?

Temptastic said...

Dear longtime reader first time poster.

(1) suck my dick
(2) take a gander at Code Monkey's post from last November, ahemm,

"I'd also love to get my hands dirty with some real experience."

I've re-posted the whole post for your reference here.
______________________________________


Code Monkey said...
Bud-

Good to hear from an escapee from Pod 27!

To the others-

I'm a proud doc review monkey. I'd also love to get my hands dirty with some real experience. Unfortunately the only interviews I get are for $10/hr 'clerkships' at chuckleheaded solo shops. Teaching pays more than that and I think that's easier experience to spin than an internship.

I'm waiting to here from Denise Asnes whether or not I've got a gig on Monday.

November 13, 2009 7:11 AM

Anonymous said...

While we're digging through the archives of the comments, what ever happened to Felchmaster Flash?

Anonymous said...

Does the RR Donnely gig do drug testing? If they do, I may be SOL. Drug testing attorneys is almost unheard of.

Anonymous said...

I never thought I'd be able to lose more dignity doing doc review.

I'm on that Diamond/RR Donnelly gig. We've had the run of the place for several weeks.

Now that we're 'transitioning' to RRD, we've got to go through a background/drug test.

So I've got to pee in a cup to keep my job. What's next? Canned responses? Name tags? Uniforms?

Anonymous said...

At least they don't make you wear a funny hat.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know a good place in Philly to get my balls waxed?

Anonymous said...

/\ /\
What a waste of comment no.:666

Anonymous said...

Hey Temptastic,

I bet you feel like a real lawyer now. Show that Code Monkey who's boss! Ass

Anonymous said...

Yes, I know a great place to get your balls waxed...and shined too. Try RR Donnelly. Great place. Cheap too.

Code Monkey said...

Temptastic-

This is rumor control:

I understand the difference between a recruiter and a headhunter. Sometimes the headhunters think I'm a good fit for a lit support position (I was an IT pro before I went to law school and I occasionally teach CLEs/write articles/present at conferences on related topics).

Nobody's recruiting me to be a real lawyer- it's all project management/lit support stuff (which I'd happily do)

I dabble in practice while I code docs. I can't afford to just jump out there and go solo. I'd love to be able to become a 'real' lawyer but it's not affordable right now.

Temple Grad said...

Some guy on another blog posted this about Temple Law. I think it is a bit harsh. What do you think?

http://thirdtierreality.blogspot.com/2010/03/give-it-second-flush-beasley-school-of.html

Temptastic said...

I agree the article on Temple was harsh. Most of the mid-big firms in Philly have Temple partner representation. Temple has a reputation for producing hard working attorneys and generally, even though most do not end up in BigLaw, graduates do end u pin legal jobs.

She who knows said...

For those still looking- it looks like the Kelly/RRD review lost at least one person today.

When the Kelly people realize that some people negotiated time and a half for OT, there may be some new defections.

From what I've heard, the RRD people are hard to get to, so call Kelly instead.

Anonymous said...

She who knows (who is probably really a he)… really doesn’t know anything.

The RRD Project lost someone yesterday, not today and it was an RRD person. RRD is supposed to be running this gig. When in reality, they have no clue of what they are doing. It’s quite entertaining, but the pay is good. I guess I’ll put up with what I have to for the money. Call me a doc review whore:O)

Who ever sells for RRD must be either really hot or good in bed, anyone know? Reason I ask is because if they were judged on their Project Management skills, they wouldn’t have this work. It is just mind boggling.

Anonymous said...

What firm is this RRD project at?

Anonymous said...

How many people are on the RRD gig? What are conditions like?

Anonymous said...

There is no RRD project. It's staffed by Kelly and RRD. The client's legal department is running it with a few RR Donneley PMs and no Philly firms are involved.

Temps can't check email or get the Internet on there desktops

I think the guy who psots here as Code Monkey is working there. I saw him in the hallway talking on the phone.

So is Black Sheep himself.

You loosers should get real jobs and quit whining about how bad the projects are. You wouldn't last ten minutes as a paralegel doing real work.

Anonymous said...

Where is the RRD project, location-wise?

Anonymous said...

where is this RRD project at, location-wise? center city?

Anonymous said...

What about Felchmaster Flash? Does he work at RRD?

RodStiffington said...

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Odds of you losers getting a real law job: 9,999,999,999,999,999,999 to 1.

Fan of Felch said...

Odds of Rod Stiffington being a "real lawyer":
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 to 1

Fan of Rod said...

god, i love when you losers refuse to believe that other people are "real lawyers." it just makes my day!!

fan of fan of Felchmaster said...

For what it's worth-

Half of the coders I know were 'real lawyers' who prefer coding for what ever reason.

And 12:35- Are you posting drunk from Cavanaugh's?

Anonymous said...

The problem with the world today is that there's not not enough felch to go around.

Anonymous said...

I am wondering why the person who posted at 12:35 PM seems to be close to the coder community (claims to know who some people are and where they work) yet derides them at every opportunity.

Self hatred???

code monkey said...

I'm chock full of self hatred myself. I'm still working on a time machine to go back in time and tear up my law school acceptance letters.

I took a look at a pay stub from 2000 I found while cleaning out some files. I made $35/hr then, I make $35/hr now.

For the privilege of making the same after one decade, I have 95K in student loan debt.

I'm full of self-hatred.


And pudding.

Anonymous said...

Who pays $35/hr in Philadelphia?

Head in a Jar said...

2:45-

Providus, Kelly and Hire Counsel have ongoing doc reviews for $35/hr. Perhaps R.R. Donnelley (the new kid on the block or just a one-time out of towner?) may also be paying that rate.

Just remember, kids- demand the raise a few weeks into a long term project, when a deadline is upon them. All of a sudden the margins aren't so thin any more.

Coder Solidarity!!!


WOLVERINES!!!!


ADRIAN!!!

Anonymous said...

Sorry to hear that Code Monkey. 35/hr in 2000 is equivalent to 43.13/hr when adjusted for inflation :(

Still, accounting for the recession, 35/hr is pretty damn good. A lot of households don't even break 50k/year with both spouses working. Of course, they probably don't have the debt either.

Anonymous said...

Where is the RR Donnelly project? northeast philly? also, how long is it supposed to go? anyone know how many people are currently working there?

Anonymous said...

The RRD project is in a basement up in the Northeast.

There are about 50 of us here.

We have no Internet and must leave our phones in our cars.

They randomly choose a few people each week and drug test them.

We must code AT LEAST 60 documents an hour.

Kelly was staffing it, but it now is through Update Legal and Oxford.

Also, they have us working in shifts. Some come in at 7 am, and others come in at 7 pm.

Any other questions?

Anonymous said...

doesn't sound too pleasant that's for sure.

are people upset at the conditions?

how long is project meant to go?

Anonymous said...

Just googled RRD and they used to be OfficeTiger, MEOW! Google them and you will learn that they like to send your jobs off-shore.

I think you all should revolt against them and quit, or ask for more money to work in the NE. Tell them it is like working in INDIA and they are treating you like rats by making you work with the rats in the basement.

Anonymous said...

seriously... is this a short term gig? who could
keep that up for a year?

Anonymous said...

I am shocked that Update and Oxford are still in business.

Anonymous said...

Wow. Nothing says professional like clocking in at 7pm. Are they hiring?

Anonymous said...

wait, does the 7 pm shift go over night? do you have a choice?

how long is it meant to last???? why are they doing overnight shifts, to get it done faster for some deadline?

(not) Black Sheep said...

This is rumor control:

The RRD project is now in CC. The few temps from the NE have been added to the project. Kelly and RRD have been staffing it. Interestingly, a few temps have been called by both agencies which resulted in fun when the pay wasn't equal.

Pay is $34+ot, OT is not constant. There are maybe 25 temps right now.

Conditions are fine- it's not the Deuce or Vioxx.

Anonymous said...

ok how is the info above so different? one person who seems to work there says northeast and bad conditions, the other says CCity??? whats the real deal? how bad are conditions?

Anonymous said...

ok,

1. where is it in Center City? a basement?

2. are there really 7 AM and 7 PM shifts (regardless of where it is?)

3. is it true the Update/Oxford are staffing?

4. do they really drug test and not permit phones or any internet? Is that part true?

5. how long is it expected to go?

The Schmitter said...

over-night shifts are good for my sphincter.

Anonymous said...

ok,

1. where is it in Center City? a basement?

It's in a series of rooms under Suburban Station, but not the Deuce. It's a little dark in the tunnels until you get to the review space.

The rumors of C.H.U.D. are false. Some of the QC and Priv teams are a little odd looking (and their pizzas are off-limits to first and second tier review teams).


2. are there really 7 AM and 7 PM shifts (regardless of where it is?)

This is a wild- assed rumor. We're _encouraged_ to work 12 hours a day, but it's not necessary.

3. is it true the Update/Oxford are staffing?

No. Special Counsel may be allotted the new spaces. RRD and Kelly are currently staffing it.

4. do they really drug test and not permit phones or any internet? Is that part true?

We're allowed to use the internet occasionally in the 'internet cage'

5. how long is it expected to go?

As long as it needs to. This is either April 1, August or when the Class II and III custodians are deposed.

The stories that a few temps have been eaten are also false.

If you do interview, bring barbecue sauce.

Anonymous said...

are u allowed phones?

Anonymous said...

are they allowed phones the RRD Donnelly thing? I take it the no internet access thing is true (except for the "cage?")

is it true there is a night shift? how bad is the basement room? rat-ridden?

doesn't sound overly long term but i guess it's work...

tyler said...

It's less of a cage and more of a chicken wire box. It's designed to protect you from the rodents of unusual size.

Anonymous said...

Any coder don't ask for new documents when their set is done spends a night in the box.

Any coder don't code 60 documents an hour spends a night in the box.

Any coder don't take at least an hour break every ten spends a night in the box.

Any coder don't keep his desk neat and tidy spends a night in the box

Any coder don't fill out his time right spends a night in the box.

Any coder talks too loud spends a night in the box.

Any coder codes a document hot when it ain't spends a night in the box.

You got questions, you come to me. I'm Carr, the team lead. I'm responsible for reviewing here.

Fievel Felchenstein said...

Any coder that has an anoying whistle ring on their cell phone spends a night in the box.

Any coder who plays Farmville all day and leaves work for others to do spends a night in the box.


Any coder who plays quarters with cheap red wine spends a night in the box.

Any coder who thinks an energy drink will make him walk around with a hard-on spends a night in the box.

Any coder that bombs the shitter to the point where it melts your face spends a night in the box.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the coder who "bombs the shitter", he probably won't fit in the box, however, he will spend the night in the pod.

Anonymous said...

seriously, can any one just answer the above genuine questions about the RRD project? I would just like to get an idea about how the new doc reviews are being handled? how severe the restrictions are?

i think it would give a good indication of how things will be done in the future?!

Anonymous said...

9:16-

1. where is it in Center City? a basement?
It's in available office space. I'd rather not give the location. It's perfectly acceptable.

2. are there really 7 AM and 7 PM shifts (regardless of where it is?)
no- the hours are 7am-7pm M-F with irregular hours on weekend
3. is it true the Update/Oxford are staffing?

4. do they really drug test and not permit phones or any internet? Is that part true?

Drug test- yes
Phones- permitted
Internet- at the internet cafe.
5. how long is it expected to go?

Why? When has a project ever gone the time it was supposed to? Seroquel was supposed to be more than a year. It lasted 4 months for me. Providus was supposed to be 2-3 months and it's still going.

Anonymous said...

http://www.simonnagel.net/

Anonymous said...

So, who is really staffing the RR project? Are they looking for more people?

Anonymous said...

Why does it matter? You're not on it. If you weren't called by Kelly or RRD, you're not on the A-list.

You should instead call every recruiter you know hourly. That will get their attention.

Anonymous said...

Well, wiseass (6:18), it just so happens that I am not registered with Kelly or RRD, and my project just ended, so I was not actually looking until about a week ago. Maybe THATS why I wasnt called by either one, and not the fact that I am not on the A-list. Ever think of that Sherlock?

Anonymous said...

Hey, 2:38AM,

Which project were you on that just ended? Please share details.

Anonymous said...

Are there any better Philly shitlaw and/or temp attorney blogs out there? This one hasn't been updated in a year!!!

Anonymous said...

2:38-


I've found that it's in your best interest to register with every agency that either places ads in Philly or has offices here.

It also helps to always look for the next gig.

Anonymous said...

I know it does help to register with other agencies, I have had (thankfully) only to use one so far (Hirecounsel), so thats why I am not registered with others - although I am registered with Hudson and Juristaff too.

Anonymous said...

Register with every agency and keep in contact with every agency. Even a quick e-mail every week - ten days keeps you fresh in the recruiter's mind.

I remember the best days of doc review. Every month or so I would get a call at the project I was on from another agency to see if I wanted to interview for a project they were staffing. After I hung up another reviewer in the room would get the same call. And on and on across the room.

Ahh, my pre-poverty days.

Anonymous said...

Check it out, a legal position available for $26k per year.

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/lgl/1660720440.html

Rusty Trombone said...

Today is a special day. The "Wolf Block is Dead" post is celebrating its first birthday!

One year ago today, the Philadelphia legal community was shocked when one of its oldest and most established firms voted to disband - a victim of the legal market down turn. A dicussion in the aftermath of this event began has evolved to the point where it no longer even refers to the subject matter in the original post.

We've discussed Julie Daley, Simon Nagel, and Dave King. We've complained about Vioxx, Seroquel, Dechert, McCarter, Stradley and Pepper. Also, did we ever find out about what happened to the temps in the basement?

Contributing to this discussion have been several characters including but not limited to Blacksheep, Code Monkey, Roatating Stupid Name, Fired From Everywhere, Temptastic, and ofcourse, Felchmaster Flash and his many fans.

One year and 723 posts later, "Wolf Block is Dead" has become the true voice of the Philadelphia legal underground. Perhaps another year will pass before it is supplanted by another post.

Anonymous said...

So . . . BlackSheep is that Harry Potter looking dude from the Vioxx days right?

I can ask now b/c it is clear he doesn't check this shit anymore.

Anonymous said...

The guy who used to code standing up or sitting on his excersize ball. The one who used to bring his banjo and survival bag to work?

Anonymous said...

Is Black Sheep that dude at 2 Logan who was always going fishing? That dude from Virginia or West Virginia or Kentucky or wherever??

Rotating Stupid Name said...

The Black Sheep was the nickname for Captain Facemelter's second asshole.

Anonymous said...

That dude threw an apple at me once. Hit me right in the face while I was coding. He thought it was funny, but it really wasn't. I had a black eye for three days, and now, I cannot even stand the smell of apples. Dickhead!

Anonymous said...

I think BS's grammar and writing is way better than I would expect the "fisherman from the South's" to be.

I thought the guy with the exercise ball was the narcoleptic turned SA at another project?

Anonymous said...

Holy shit! The fisherman threw a mandarin orange at me once for absolutely no reason. I wasn't even looking at him. I was talking to someone next to me and, all of a sudden, WHACK, a mandarin orange hits me in the lips and fisherman starts cracking up. What is with that guy and throwing fruit at people?!?!

Ken A. Lingis said...

The Eagles just traded McNabb.

Anonymous said...

whoa...too weird...that guy threw a mango at me while I was coding. It bounced right off my forehead and rolled in the aisle. Simon stepped on it and fell into a coder, spilling hot coffee all over this person's lap. Boy was she pissed!!

Karl Hungus said...

No shit! That southern fisherman dude once through his poo at me. It hit me right in the face but I remember thinking that it still smelled better than the bathroom at 2 Logan.

Anonymous said...

No one really likes to eat goat cheese. Not even elephants and monkeys and turtles. Pizza is my favorite food group and sometimes I like lemonade. But only on Tuesdays. While I am at the store tonight, I will likely purchase the new iPad because it looks cool. I think I have a coupon. Restaurants usually have more than one waitress, but I guess it depends on where you live. Thursday are the best time to eat chicken fingers with gravy. Stop calling me Sam. I like fishing too. Oops, I did it again. In the rain, or on a train, I like them here and there. Umpires are usually fat. You likey. Tonight, we feast. Rest on Sunday. Eat hen eggs for lunch. With chocolate pudding. Q*bert is such a cool game.

Anonymous said...

No one really likes to eat goat cheese. Not even elephants and monkeys and turtles. Pizza is my favorite food group and sometimes I like lemonade. But only on Tuesdays. While I am at the store tonight, I will likely purchase the new iPad because it looks cool. I think I have a coupon. Restaurants usually have more than one waitress, but I guess it depends on where you live. Thursday are the best time to eat chicken fingers with gravy. Stop calling me Sam. I like fishing too. Oops, I did it again. In the rain, or on a train, I like them here and there. Umpires are usually fat. You likey. Tonight, we feast. Rest on Sunday. Eat hen eggs for lunch. With chocolate pudding. Q*bert is such a cool game.

POD 27 said...

It's a damn shame when you can't drink at work.

Anonymous said...

11:11-

I'm working there, too. I think we are screwed, but I've been wrong before...

Anonymous said...

So what is making the RR Donnelly job so bad? restrictions? crazy people?

What do you mean, you don't know if you have work next week? I thought it was supposed to be a longer-term (a few months) project?

Anonymous said...

well, the guy who sits next to me takes his shoes off and works in his smelly socks. really gross. also, the attorney who runs it screams a lot and stands behind you with a stopwatch. very stressful. people can only get up to go to the bathroom 2 times all day. i really think that one guy peed himself because he wrapped his coat around his waist when he left for the day. you are not even aloud to chew gum or eat a mint. and absolutely no ipods or radios because it distracts from coding. they caught one guy in the hall on his cell phone and he was fired. they made an announcement that if it happens again, they are collecting all phones at the door when you clock in. plus, you only get 20 minutes for lunch (even though you are supposed to deduct an hour) and they rotate lunch schedules by rows. still, i am so glad that i didn't decide to be some low level associate somewhere who is nothing more than a billing machine. at least i have my pride and dignity and a decent pay check.

Anonymous said...

That must be a joke. There is no way that could be true. I that's how it is, why do you work there?

Anonymous said...

honestly is the above for real? about rr donnely?

Anonymous said...

sadly, it's true.

Anonymous said...

the no gum or mint thing is ridiculous... u must be kidding

Anonymous said...

What ever happened to the good old days? I remember when:

-the pay was good and the conditions were enjoyable.
-projects went well beyond their anticipated end date.
-pizza was served every other Friday.
-you could (and did) drink at work.
-you could watch movies and code at the same time.

Anonymous said...

I was watching a movie once and that fisherman dude from West Virginia threw a peach at me. Hit me right in the mouth. WTF, dude? Not cool!

Anonymous said...

bored, bored, bored.

Anonymous said...

i farted.

Anonymous said...

so how is RR Donnelly proj going? i ask since people seemed worried it would end?

Rotating Stupid Name said...

The Providus/MLB project finally ended. Hats off to those of you who worked one of the last good projects for more than a year.

The RR Donnelley project is slated to go on for 4-6 weeks at minimum. There may be additional hiring.

POD guy said...

Holy shit! It finally ended. It was supposed to run about 2-3 months and ended up running almost 2 years. Did the case settle?

Anonymous said...

I'm hearing rumors of a Hudson cattle call. Is this true? We could use some rumor control.

Julie said...

moooooo

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

strawberries make me fart.

John Smallberries said...

Providus/MLB
RIP
August 2008 - April 2010

Anonymous said...

smallberries make me fart too.

LesterH said...

I bought new shoes today.

Anonymous said...

Looks like the RRD review is going to last the summer.

I saw them carry out all the Providus detritus. The fish is in our office.

Anonymous said...

how is the RRD thing going, anyway? how do you knoq it will last the summer?

FishMonger said...

has anyone seen my rod?

John Yaya said...

Fish make me fart.

Anonymous said...

Is Pepper Hamilton still going? What is that project like?

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know how to get a job as a partner? I am starting to get the feeling that their isn't alot a jobs out there left for document review positions, so I tought that I would just try to get on somewhere at a firm. But, I really don't want to start as an assosiate. I've been doing document reivew for to long and I know that my experience is way more than any assosiates. Any help would be great. Who knows? Maybe I will hore you someday to!!

Anonymous said...

10:37 - I hear wolf Block is hiring pardnerz...I cent my resume their, but I havent hear anythin yet. I a mstill hopping to get wird from themz soon

Anonymous said...

Thanks. I will cheek them out. I haven't ever herd of them before at all. Do you know what kinds of law the practices? I really donot want to do any more contract type work. I am mostly intrested in doing litigation and court room type stuff. I actually want to do a lots of criminal law type stuff but I am not really shore what big firms do only criminal law type stuff. I really donot want to work in a small type firm or anyithing like that. I also wouldn't mine doing some personnel injury type stuff either. I'm pretty good on my feet, so I am just looking to get my feet in the door so I can show them what I can do. Thanks again for the Wolf Blake tip. I'll check them out right know!

MacGuffin said...

At this point, the only reason for Black Sheep to make any changes to his site is ironically: i.e. to prove that even though he doesn't care anymore (probably because he has work and a still-functional substance abuse problem) he knows we are stuck searching for meaning through his pseudonymous comments.

But me, I'm yet another student-loan wage slave, clamoring for the next big gig to carry me through until I can get a Real Lawyer Job (TM).

So if anyone has a suggestion in my hunt for my next job, feel free to comment. My likes include big money, no responsibility, and lots of free time. Dislikes include weird smells, stalkers, and not getting paid.

So far I've been paying the bills doc-reviewing defense side. Are plaintiff firms better? Anybody know?

Oh, and for fellow members of the great and glorious PA Bar, how did that reminder of your upcoming bar dues strike you. Sometime soon you'll be sending in the $200 that allows you to put "Admitted Active" on the resume. Do ANY of the Agencies pick up that cost?

Anonymous said...

HEY! I check that Wolf Block place out and there closed and all. I guess you thaught it was real funny and all. But that's is probably likely why you are an unemployee document review lawyer who doesn't have a job! I'll be sure to remeber you when I get my job, cause you ain't going to work at where I work at! At least last dude who posted had someting meaningfull and stuff to say. Unlike you punk ass! To last dude, I think working on the plantiff's side is better because you get a contingency pay based on what you win and stuff. Cause 30% of $1000000 is more than $20 hour at them other defense places and stuff. Think about it! Also, check out some criminal law firms and stuff too. They pay real well because the government picks up the tab for people who can't afford a lawyer, and just about all criminals are poor and stuff. That's my advise to you! Good luck Bro!

John Bigboote said...

Wolf Block makes me fart.

Anonymous said...

David Leone is starting at the RRD project.

Does anybody have anything nice to say?

Anonymous said...

3:34 - No way...are you serious?

Anonymous said...

How is RRD project going anyway?

Anonymous said...

Is Leone a coder, or a staff attorney??

Anonymous said...

So...is Leone a coder or staff attorney??

Rumor Controller said...

Mr. Leone is the project manager. Since no two firms use PMs the same way, we have no idea what his corpselike presence will be doing.

Hopefully they'll pay him enough to buy shirts that fit.

Anonymous said...

Wow, a position of power? Shit, my condolonces to those stuck there now.

Anonymous said...

HAHAHAHA!!! Mr. Nipples.

Anonymous said...

I don't like David Leone because he farted in my general direction and then left the room.

Mr. Nipples said...

my left ball is larger than my right one.

Anonymous said...

Each of my balls is larger than the other one

Anonymous said...

That's impossible.

Anonymous said...

So how is the RR Donnelly thing with Leone there?Do you have internet access? or is it prison?

where is the project anyway? what building? basement?

Anonymous said...

It's like prison. We can only leave if we get up and walk out of the room.

No car service or free meals (other than once a week pizza). Coffee's free. We have to wipe ourselves after using the bathroom.



We only have internet access at the Internet Cafe.

Heck. It's a job.

Anonymous said...

Luckily, at my current job, someone else wipes me after I use the bathroom. I could never go back to doing it myself!

Napoleon D. said...

Lucky.

Anonymous said...

So besides no internet, how is it?

where is it located? suburban station basement?

will it last thru the summer?

Anonymous said...

I am not sure what you mean Foamy Head. Please explain, just a little better.

Anonymous said...

This is rumor control-

word on the street is that Morgan Lewis is hiring doc reviewers again. Not sure of anything more. I'd start harassing the agencies to see if you can get in the basement.

Anonymous said...

Rumor control is right. Ajilon called me, supposed to be a lot of work coming up for Morgan Lewis.

Anonymous said...

Here we go:

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/lgl/1765405121.html

Tyler Durden said...

Here's a shout-out to our comrade Lance David Lewis!

You screw everybody with your bad behavior.

http://abovethelaw.com/2010/06/all-play-and-no-work-made-lance-a-disbarred-boy/#more-19785

Anonymous said...

http://www.courts.state.pa.us/OpPosting/disciplinaryboard/dboardopinions/175DB2009-Lewis.pdf

Code Monkey said...

Looks like things are picking up. Mary Ellis @ Excelerate, Elissa R. Outtrim @ Assigned Counsel and RR Donnelley are starting new or ramping up existing projects.

I'm going to get my ass out there and start making some fat lawyer scratch for Aunt Sallie.

She's nice when I have money for her.

I get clumsy and get hurt when she gets mad.

You wouldn't like her when she's angry...

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Anonymous said...

Was that graduate degree worth the money? Probably not---

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-phd-blues-20100604,0,6349908.story

Anonymous said...

Any news or updates on Morgan? I know some people started last week or so.

Lance David Lewis said...

I'm still billing at Vioxx, too.

Anonymous said...

Heard there were massive layoffs at Stradley...

Anonymous said...

I heard that too. Better call your recruiter to get in at Morgan, seems like theyre the only ones hiring right now.

Anonymous said...

Which recruiters staff at Morgan?

Keep on Felchin' said...

Just got this email:

Hi,
I am staffing a document review project at Deloitte Consulting in Westfield, NJ,07090. The project will begin early July and run for 6 months. You must be admitted (any State) and be able to commute to Westfield, NJ every day to qualify for this opportunity. Please look at the details below and answer all questions if you want to be submitted to this project.
You do not need to reply to this e-mail if you are not interested. No phone calls please.

Project Details:
Pay-$29/hour
Hours-40 hours a week during regular business hours (9:00am-5:30pm)
Length of assignment – 6 months
Start – Approximately July 7th
Interview requirement prior to be accepted on the assignment
Location – Deloitte Consulting, 219 East Broad St., Westfield, NJ 07090

Answer All Questions:
Name?
Best number to reach you?
Can you commute to Westfield, NJ by car on a daily basis?
Will you need to take any time off beginning July 7th through the next 3 months?
If so, what dates?
Can you begin this project the 1st or 2nd week of July?
Where are you admitted?

Denise Asnes
Managing Director

Hire Counsel
1500 Market Street
12th Floor, East Tower
Philadelphia, PA 19102

phone 215 246 3451
fax 215 665 5766
dasnes@hirecounsel.com
http://www.hirecounsel.com

Anonymous said...

An Open Letter to Temple Law

Before I begin, I wish to state again how much I appreciate Temple, how much I enjoyed attending there, and how highly I value the education and credentials I received.

But I also write, as a friend and even as a booster, that Temple should use the current crisis to address the unmet needs of the community, rather than to simply continue on its current course.

There is no longer a need for Temple Law to serve as a law school of last resort for people otherwise excluded from the practice of law. That noble goal was right and appropriate, but for another era. Today, I believe it to be the case that no person willing to take the LSAT and pay full fare for legal training will lack for the chance to go to an accredited law school which will allow him to sit for the bar exam. Temple should not aspire to separate those desperate students from their money. If the devil pleads that the wicked deed must be done, I fear you need but stand aside and lesser schools will leap to toil in such unholy work.

Instead, what we need now most are law schools of unquestioned professional rigor, in both students and faculty, combined with the lowest possible cost per credit hour, and the strongest possible efforts to ensure the full legal employment of every student who passes through the doors. And in all of these things, Temple should aim to be among the most transparent law schools in the world. We should seek to know what becomes of every student, and, in desperate circumstance such as the recent economic downturn, willing to employ drastic measures to ensure that young attorneys are not cast adrift.

One critical measure is reducing the supply of new attorneys. Because of the ABA’s phenomenal lack of leadership the nation is inundated with new classes of attorneys for which there are simply no jobs. Temple should shrink its class sizes, and argue in every venue that its fellow law schools do the same until the market stabilizes.

I send you money every year: always my alumni dues, and some years even a little extra. But think about how much more you would receive, not just from me, but also from my more disillusioned fellow alumni, if you took the steps I mentioned above. Prove that you do not think of your students as “consumers” for whom you feel no responsibility once the financial transaction is complete.

And once you have demonstrated, through the power of example, that there is a better way, I think that other law schools will follow your lead. And if they do not, well, their Trustees and Visitors will answer for that sooner or later.

Sincerely,
A frustrated doc review attorney.

Code Monkey said...

Re: An Open Letter to Temple Law

"… address the unmet needs of the community…"


Really? Temple’s been competitive for at least the last ten years. Got a dream but unremarkable gpa and LSAT? That’s what Cooley’s for.

"Today, I believe it to be the case that no person …[with a pulse]… lack[s] for the chance to go to an accredited law school which will allow him to sit for the bar exam. Temple should not aspire to separate those desperate students from their money. If the devil pleads that the wicked deed must be done, I fear you need but stand aside and lesser schools will leap to toil in such unholy work. "

Are you quoting Ronnie James Dio? Are you saying that a law school should tell an otherwise qualified person, capable of signing a contract, free to purchase a motorcycle, handgun or whiskey shouldn’t be admitted to law school because there may be a less than rosy outcome? How patronizing. I’ll bet that when you were applying to law schools you were hoping that they’d open the doors wide enough to let you in. Now you’re asking them to close them behind you.

…[Insert platitude here]… "and the strongest possible efforts to ensure the full legal employment of every student who passes through the doors. ... and, in desperate circumstance such as the recent economic downturn, willing to employ drastic measures to ensure that young attorneys are not cast adrift."

Like what? At graduation should we shoot the unemployed law students to guarantee a 100% employment rate? That’s a drastic measure.

"Temple should shrink its class sizes, and argue in every venue that its fellow law schools do the same until the market stabilizes."

There aren’t many jobs out there for liberal arts majors either. Should we prevent students from majoring in anything but engineering and bidness? Also, you’re asking them to cut their one source of revenue to benefit you. Why should they give up their jobs (since a school or department that does not bring in revenue doesn’t last long).


"Prove that you do not think of your students as “consumers” for whom you feel no responsibility once the financial transaction is complete."

Why do you think your alma mater owes you anything more than what they already gave you? You got a quality education for a decent price at Temple. Should they protect you from the crappy economy? Should they call up every firm in Philly begging them to take you on?

We’re not unique and special snowflakes. We don’t bring much value to any firm until we know what we're doing and have a book of business. It's like selling Yugos or vegan sausages. Sometimes a product isn't worth what it costs to make, so they don't sell.



"And once you have demonstrated, ... I think that other law schools will follow your lead."

You think that one school halving its incoming class will convince the other 183 schools to do anything but continue enrolling students?

Next time you’re on a doc review, try this. Tell the other reviewers that you’re going to voluntarily reduce your income by working less hours and that they should, too. Because it’l make the world a better place or some shit like that. They’d look at you with bovine indifference and work every available hour, including the ones you just gave up.

I’d welcome you to disappointment, but it seems like you’re already there. You (foolishly) thought that doing what everybody else thought was a good idea would turn out well. Well, we were wrong. I realize that. But don’t get fooled again expecting that someone who benefits from selling a product would willingly stop selling it because you aren’t happy with the purchase.

Oh. And stop giving them money. Do you give Verizon extra money because you feel a bond with them as well?

Code Monkey

Anonymous said...

Ok. Code MOnkey, that was pretty damned good, I have to say. I can't argue with a thing you have said. Too true.

i think that people forget that schools are BUSINESSES with a product, and they need to generate REVENUE to pay staff, expenses, etc.

Schools aren't some charitable tutoring.

And from what I know, Temple is pretty damned highly regarded in philly and DOES employ several at good firms. It's not Temple's fault.

They are out to make money. I don't think any school would deny that. They don't go into business thinking "our main goal is to send our students into the work force and guarantee them jobs."

If a prospective student doesn't like Temple's employment rates or stats, here's an idea. DON"T ATTEND. The student is the consumer. Obviously, they still get people to attend. And given that the student is the purchaser of their services, I'd say, so far, the market hasn't spoken.

Schools are in business to generate money. It's not a volunteer operation.

Thank you, code monkey.

Anonymous said...

Fuck you, Code Monkey

Your just some freewheeling nazi anarchist. Anybody should be able to sell anything they want without concern for the consequences, right? CAVEAT EMPTOR and the devil take the hindmost?

I guess you think it's ok for Drexel to open another law school. How about USP or St. Joes? Should everybody be a lawyer and deflate the rate ?

Anonymous said...

I will no longer eat cheese while reading this blog. Partly because cheese is not good for you and partly because cheese and this blog site simply do not go together. Why, you ask? Because it's very hard to type while eating a block of cheese. It's somewhat easier if you put the cheese on a cracker, but then crumbs get into the keyboard and all hell can break loose at that point. I tried using a cheese substitute for a while, but let's face it, there's no substitute for the real thing. God I love cheese. Has anyone tried chess cheese? If you haven't, I would highly recommend picking up a block or two. God bless the man who invented chesse!!!

Anonymous said...

Hey. Small world! I'm still billing vioxx too.

Love that felch said...

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/lgl/1842293151.html

Anonymous said...

my balls hurt

Anonymous said...

conway twitty

The spy who felched me said...

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/lgl/1851148172.html

Anonymous said...

herpes

To all the Girls I've Felched Before said...

wrist-watch.....crisco

Citizen Felch said...

Rumor has it that Providus is staffing a porject anticipated to last until February 2011. Does anyone have any details?

Les Nesman said...

Yes. It pays $12/hr. You have to code at least 90 pages an hour with heavy redactions. You have to sit on a milk crate, but all the chairs belong to real attorneys. Once a week, you are required to bring in coffee for a staff attorney. There is no overtime. In fact, you generally have about 10 hours of work a day, but you can only bill for 7.5. So, you work 2.5 hours a day for free. You cannot wear the color green...ever. A senior attorney has an irrational fear of the color green. So, if you wear green, you are automatically fired...no questions asked. You have to say the pledge of allegience every day at promptly 8:25 AM...and you cannot simply mouth the words. You have to take out the garbage everyday and clean windows once a week. There is NO TALKING at all to anyone EVER. There is no air conditioning in the coder's room (Attorneys have AC in their offices). Attorneys regularly throw tennis balls at the backs of coders' heads to try to distract them. If you get distracted, you get fired. There are no working bathrooms on site. If you pee yourself, the attorneys will rub your nose in it so that you don't do it again. Other than that, it's a great gig! Best job I've had in years!!

Felchadelphia said...

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/lgl/1859788295.html

Code Monkey said...

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/lgl/1863730130.html

Felch Monkey said...

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Saul Felchenberg said...

Seems like the philly doc review scene is back up and running again.

Felchy McSanchez said...

well tickle my pickle....let's code!!!

Sandra Sanchez-Rodriguez-Felchenstein said...

oooh, i'll tickle your pickle.

Abu Mussab Al Felchawi said...

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/lgl/1866450468.html

Ron Felchemy said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ns39fNPZug&feature=related

Anonymous said...

A moment of silence. A giant on the Philly doc review scene will code no longer:

Steve Schmits (sp) has died.

Anonymous said...

when? how??

Anonymous said...

I heard it was organ failure.

Bud Hempfield said...

Steve was on the scene for a long time. Many of us have shared coding space with him. He was always jovial and offered his best advice to those around him. I offer my sincere condolences to his friends and family.

Anonymous said...

Thats awful, my condolences to his family.

Anonymous said...

Word is that Steve was the Black Sheep. He will be missed, he was a great guy to work with.

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